Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on November 21, 2012, 08:34:30 AM
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I think it's official now.
http://www.3abnvjoy.com/ilsd-12cv00114/ilsd-12cv00114-doc-71.pdf
3ABN and Alex have asked that all claims against all defendants be dismissed with prejudice, which must mean that they have indeed settled.
However, notice one important thing: Is Tommy's signature on the document? No. Therefore, 3ABN is asking that the claims against Tommy be dismissed with prejudice. Why? Yet another example of 3ABN/Danny Shelton covering for Tommy?
Alex's lawsuit accused Tommy of being an agent or employee of 3ABN even when he was in Virginia. 3ABN denied that. And yet now 3ABN is asking the court to dismiss all of Alex's claims against Tommy for even when Tommy was in Virginia. What do you make of this?
Note also that the parties aren't asking that 3ABN's claims be dismissed, for the simple reason that 3ABN never filed any counterclaims.
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I would assume that the settlement amount, whatever amount that is, has already been paid?
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I think it's official now.
http://www.3abnvjoy.com/ilsd-12cv00114/ilsd-12cv00114-doc-71.pdf
3ABN and Alex have asked that all claims against all defendants be dismissed with prejudice, which must mean that they have indeed settled.
However, notice one important thing: Is Tommy's signature on the document? No. Therefore, 3ABN is asking that the claims against Tommy be dismissed with prejudice. Why? Yet another example of 3ABN/Danny Shelton covering for Tommy?
Alex's lawsuit accused Tommy of being an agent or employee of 3ABN even when he was in Virginia. 3ABN denied that. And yet now 3ABN is asking the court to dismiss all of Alex's claims against Tommy for even when Tommy was in Virginia. What do you make of this?
Note also that the parties aren't asking that 3ABN's claims be dismissed, for the simple reason that 3ABN never filed any counterclaims.
What do I make of all this?
I don't know, since I don't understand all of the legalese.
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This can't possibly be true. Some folks at anothr particular site have stated emphatically that 3ABN would NEVER stettle this case. :ROFL:
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This can't possibly be true. Some folks at anothr particular site have stated emphatically that 3ABN would NEVER stettle this case. :ROFL:
What's their batting average?
Didn't they say Tommy would get off lightly, with hardly any sentence?
Q Of course, we are here today at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
True?
A Yes.
Q And that is your residence, so to speak?
A Yes.
Q Do you have a Department of Corrections number?
A Yes.
Q What is that number?
A Are you talking about my number here?
Q Yes, sir.
A Like on my band?
Q If that is where it is, yes.
A 2021892.
Q 2021892?
A Yes.
Q And that is the number that has been assigned to you by the Virginia Department of Corrections?
A They gave it to me when I came in here.
Q That is the number you go by?
A That is the number I go by.
Q All right.
You are incarcerated here.
True?
A Yes.
Q And you are incarcerated because you pled guilty to sexual abuse of a boy.
Is that true?
A I plead the Fifth on that.
Q Well, I want to know what it is that caused you to be incarcerated.
Can you tell me what that was?
A No.
I mean for the Fifth. I plead the Fifth.
Q Isn't it true that you pled guilty to sexually abusing a boy in Virginia?
A I plead the Fifth.
Q And isn't it true that as a result of your plea to having sexually abused a boy a judge sentenced you to time at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center?
A Again I plead the Fifth.
Q You are here in jail because you took a plea as to sexually abusing a boy named D_____ T_____.
True?
A I plead the Fifth.
Q Do you know who that boy is?
A Not by that name.
Q You don't know anybody with the last name T_____?
A I just plead the Fifth.
Q Okay.
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I will say this the video of his deposition is entertaining to say the least.
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Is there a video?
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Is there a video?
Yes, there is!
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How can we see it?
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I'm not exactly sure at this point.
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Alex. I want to commend you for taking on and taking down Danny Shelton. May this be the end of his cult of personality :TY:
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Alex. I want to commend you for taking on and taking down Danny Shelton. May this be the end of his cult of personality :TY:
Thank you for the kind words!
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I'm also happy that you went through with all of that, Alex!
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Thank you, Artiste!
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:horse: :ROFL:
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I am hopeful that this settlement will embolden some others.
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Boy, the "other site" sure has been quiet about this. Must not have any way to spin it. :ROFL: :rabbit:
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I understand that there are other parties possibly seeking restitution from Danny Shelton and from 3ABN. I understand that Mr. Walker's success has perked the interests of a few others.
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I understand that there are other parties possibly seeking restitution from Danny Shelton and from 3ABN. I understand that Mr. Walker's success has perked the interests of a few others.
Any more information on that subject?
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Sketchy, but getting clearer...
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Sketchy but getting clearer???
Sketchy, but getting clearer...
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Waiting for more clear information!
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Hey, Danny! After all your years of threats and intimidation, how does it feel to realize that NO ONE is afraid of you? How does it feel to realize that you do NOT, in fact, call all the shots? How does it feel to realize that you are NOT in control? How does it feel to realize that you are nothing more than the schoolyard bully that everyone laughs at now that you've finally bitten off more than you could chew? :ROFL:
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Does anyone know specifically of any other victims of Tommy Shelton that might be coming forward?
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Even if I did, I wouldn't reveal them. Danny would love to have that info.
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Would these be victims of Tommy Shelton or Danny Shelton?
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Who knows? Either one is possible. I think that was made clear to them. Danny is keenly aware there is evidence of pedophilia against him. Trust me I know.
So could be either one.
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Why would God choose/impress such a person to be the creator/founder of 2ABN?
Who knows? Either one is possible. I think that was made clear to them. Danny is keenly aware there is evidence of pedophilia against him. Trust me I know.
So could be either one.
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Did anyone see Danny's panel on 3abn today? It was prerecorded, but I browsed the channel during the football game today & saw the bobbleheads on there. The usual gang... Clement, Jim, Shelley & Lomacang all saying that any attack on 3abn is an attack on the Gospel & that they are "staying on message" still presenting the "the undiluted 3 angel's message" in spite of all the attacks against them. You know, the same BS sprinkled with a touch of praise to their leader & a few mentions of Moses and this and that.
I'm convinced that even if they are presented with undeniable truth that Danny has victims, they would still stand by him.
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I'm convinced that even if they are presented with undeniable truth that Danny has victims, they would still stand by him.
It's starting to seem that way.
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Why would God choose/impress such a person to be the creator/founder of 2ABN?
I guess for the same reason he would impress one to pastor the Ezra Church of God and start Ezra Christian School.
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Why would God choose/impress such a person to be the creator/founder of 2ABN?
I guess for the same reason he would impress one to pastor the Ezra Church of God and start Ezra Christian School.
:goodpost: I was thinking the same thing....
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According to http://www.3abnvjoy.com/ilsd-12cv00114/ilsd-12cv00114-doc-68.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/ilsd-12cv00114/ilsd-12cv00114-doc-68.pdf):
9. As to paragraph 9 of the Complaint, 3ABN admits that Tommy Shelton served as Pastor at the Ezra Church of God in West Frankfort, Illinois in the 1980s; admits that at least one allegation of improper conduct with a minor was made against him there; affirmatively alleges that Danny Shelton understood the allegation was investigated by church authorities and police and determined to be unfounded; and denies knowledge or information sufficient to form a belief as to the truth of the other allegations in paragraph 9.
I find it remarkable that Danny would tell the court that this is what he "understood," when the "police" that "investigated" it said they knew Tommy was guilty, but just didn't have the evidence they needed to lay their hands on him. How could he ever have truthfully said that he believed the police had determined it to be unfounded?
Plus, it is a bit fallacious to claim the above when, according to an eyewitness, you yourself told a victim to tell the police it never happened.
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Who knows? Either one is possible. I think that was made clear to them. Danny is keenly aware there is evidence of pedophilia against him. Trust me I know.
So could be either one.
Actions that took place several years ago have landed one Shelton in prison. I doubt any "statutes of limitation" have expired.
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The story I heard before and when I first arrived at 3ABN was that Kenny Shelton, not Danny, was the one who received the impression to build the network. That Kenny then talked to Danny and their mother. Danny agreed to help. Once Kenny was fired the story changed to Danny received the impression (vision) and Kenny was written out of the story.
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Every cult leader has claimed a vision. How else would they dupe their followers?
Danny's status as a cult leader is exemplified by the fact that he has gotten rich through this "vision" of his.
Ellen White never got rich through any of her writings. She even encouraged people to test and question her.
Martin Luther never sought riches in his reformation, even though millions of people were reading his writings while he was living.
George Vandeman or HMS Richards never enriched themselves through any of their writings and speaking engagements.
Danny Shelton made up this "vision" garbage and his "miracle" stories to fatten his wallet.
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The story I heard before and when I first arrived at 3ABN was that Kenny Shelton, not Danny, was the one who received the impression to build the network. That Kenny then talked to Danny and their mother. Danny agreed to help. Once Kenny was fired the story changed to Danny received the impression (vision) and Kenny was written out of the story.
youngwarrior, I've got a 1987 version of the 3ABN Story, featuring an interview of both Kenny and Danny. It has Danny being told by a voice to start the station, and Danny calling Kenny to tell him. It does have Kenny previously telling Danny that God had impressed him that he and Danny should unite their ministries.
But what you remember about Kenny being the first one to have the impression could still be true. It's just that the story could have morphed a little earlier than Kenny's firing.
Evangelist Oscar Lane began his evangelistic meeting in a big tent in New Orleans on Sept. 9, 1984, and finished sometime in October. During that crusade, Danny and Melody Shelton came through and did a program at our church north of new Orleans. Danny and Melody then showed up at Oscar Lane's meeting. During that meeting, Oscar Lane took up an offering for Danny's new TV venture. The next meeting or so Oscar Lane told the huge crowd in the newly rented church that Danny had come to him the morning that Danny was leaving town, and had given him the money back. I recall that Oscar Lane said it would be put toward the purchase of a church bus.
1984 is a long time ago, and so I don't recall for sure what exactly the TV venture was, but I've always thought it was starting 3ABN, not just a studio. At any rate, it seems a little strange to start the 3ABN Story on Nov. 14/15, 1984, when in October Danny was already promoting a new TV venture publicly, and money was being collected for it.
What I recall is that Oscar Lane would be working with Danny on the venture, and it puzzled me when I did not hear Lane's name associated with 3ABN as things got going.
When I asked Danny about all this in November 2006, he provided no satisfactory answer.
By the way, I was told that Kenny admitted having the affair that led to his firing, but was puzzled about why Danny made it an issue, since Danny had known about the affair for years.
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All very interesting...
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Why would God choose/impress such a person to be the creator/founder of 2ABN?
I guess for the same reason he would impress one to pastor the Ezra Church of God and start Ezra Christian School.
We all know Danny has lied on multiple occasions, so why should anyone believe him when he claims God gave him some TV network "vision" or "impresson" or whatever he calls it?
The man is a fraud and a criminal.
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I'm wondering if there is anyone else out there that remembers Danny publicly talking about a TV venture before November 14/15, 1984. Am I the only one that remembers that?
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I see that a new movie called "Happy Valley" is going to be made starring Al Pacino as coach Joe Paterno from Penn State who died following his firing from the University.
Deadline Hollywood refers to the situation as follows:
"The failure of Paterno and university officials to act allowed Sandusky to continue molesting boys for years, which was borne out in court testimony leading to his conviction and incarceration."
Does this sound familiar with 3ABN?
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I wonder if someone will ever do a movie on the Shelton gang.
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What would the movie be called?
The Televangelist? :D
I wonder if someone will ever do a movie on the Shelton gang.
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That's a possibility. Another one might be "As the Satellite Turns," or "The Shelton Gang Rides Again."
I suppose someone could start a contest and see who comes up with the most creative title.
What would the movie be called?
The Televangelist? :D
I wonder if someone will ever do a movie on the Shelton gang.
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I like "The Shelton Gang Rides Again".
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Why would God choose/impress such a person to be the creator/founder of 2ABN?
I guess for the same reason he would impress one to pastor the Ezra Church of God and start Ezra Christian School.
We all know Danny has lied on multiple occasions, so why should anyone believe him when he claims God gave him some TV network "vision" or "impresson" or whatever he calls it?
The man is a fraud and a criminal.
Glenn Dryden is also a proven liar and a fraud as well. If I have to I will post the proof.
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Glenn Dryden is also a proven liar and a fraud as well. If I have to I will post the proof.
And I can verify that said proof does exist.
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Danny Shelton is in the crosshairs now. Doesn't matter how many times he appears on his '3ABN Today' show with his panel of bobbleheads proclaiming how great their ministry is and how wonderful he is. It doesn't matter if he's trying to start up his "3ABN rally" again. His legal troubles are far from over. People are coming forward now, legally and publicly. People he thought he had long ago suppressed into silence. He can't charm or bully or pay his way out of any of this.
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Danny Shelton is in the crosshairs now. Doesn't matter how many times he appears on his '3ABN Today' show with his panel of bobbleheads proclaiming how great their ministry is and how wonderful he is. It doesn't matter if he's trying to start up his "3ABN rally" again. His legal troubles are far from over. People are coming forward now, legally and publicly. People he thought he had long ago suppressed into silence. He can't charm or bully or pay his way out of any of this.
Can you tell us any more? I did a search on PACER and couldn't find any other cases that Danny or 3ABN are in.
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May I go on a rant for a minute?
I LOVE how Duane and I are the only ones who are willing to publicly stand up against Glenn Dryden. Are you all aware of the part he played in this? This man deserves just as much attention as Tommy, Danny or 3ABN.
I intend to make it known to ALL, about his role in this Sega.
Duane and I PERSONALLY know Glenn Dryden and know what type of person he is. Now, his church members can come on here and say otherwise, but REMEMBER there IS proof. You can twist it and turn it all you want, but at the end of the day it is what it is!
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On here? Are you nuts?
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On here? Are you nuts?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Danny Shelton is in the crosshairs now. Doesn't matter how many times he appears on his '3ABN Today' show with his panel of bobbleheads proclaiming how great their ministry is and how wonderful he is. It doesn't matter if he's trying to start up his "3ABN rally" again. His legal troubles are far from over. People are coming forward now, legally and publicly. People he thought he had long ago suppressed into silence. He can't charm or bully or pay his way out of any of this.
Who else is coming forward?
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On here? Are you nuts?
what?
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Artiste... Just be patient.
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Artiste... Just be patient.
Any idea for how long we must be patient? Or must we be patient about that too?
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Artiste... Just be patient.
I'll try... :)
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I am thoroughly convinced this site is focused on one and only one objective and that is to focus on Danny Shelton and 3ABN. Perhaps, there is some legitimacy to the claims of those who defend 3ABN. If we are going to throw fingers at people who have been involved in this situation.....why not everyone? :dunno: Why only Danny and 3ABN? :help: :scratch:
For that reason......I will make no further comments on this site until I notice that there is a change. Glenn Dryden is simply ignored, his church is ignored, what about their role in this mess? Now, I have been very patient. Well my patience has ran out. THOMAS GLENN DRYDEN will be exposed one way or another.
I suppose it is easier to ignore certain facts and broadcast others to support certain personal agendas.
:wave:
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I think it was already exposed some time ago that Glenn Dryden signed a ministerial license voted by the ordaining organization of which he was a member.
But I don't know of any allegations against Dryden that he molested children, or that he lied to cover up allegations of molestation against anyone else.
What I am not privy to is what discussion led to the vote by the ordaining organization, what part Dryden played in that discussion, and what went through his mind when he signed that license.
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Alex, when I posted "On here, are you nuts?" I was replying to Bob, not you. I'm not familiar with the Dryden situation.
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I think it was already exposed some time ago that Glenn Dryden signed a ministerial license voted by the ordaining organization of which he was a member.
But I don't know of any allegations against Dryden that he molested children, or that he lied to cover up allegations of molestation against anyone else.
What I am not privy to is what discussion led to the vote by the ordaining organization, what part Dryden played in that discussion, and what went through his mind when he signed that license.
Glenn Dryden is an enabler by signing that license, and an abuser of the abused because he refused to mind his own business. He dug and dug until he got all the gory details he was looking for. I simply don't believe his story that it all just "fell into his lap." He's a liar.
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I think it was already exposed some time ago that Glenn Dryden signed a ministerial license voted by the ordaining organization of which he was a member.
But I don't know of any allegations against Dryden that he molested children, or that he lied to cover up allegations of molestation against anyone else.
What I am not privy to is what discussion led to the vote by the ordaining organization, what part Dryden played in that discussion, and what went through his mind when he signed that license.
Bob,
As early as 1996 Glenn Dryden was warning people of Tommy. In 2001, he signed his name to Tommy's license. Duane is right he is a liar and enabler, among other things. Perhaps embezzlement?
Why did Glenn Dryden use church money to buy a new vehicle? Why did Dryden use church money to fund his trips to D.C. when he pastored Ezra? Was these things approved by the church? Or, did Dryden take these funds himself without church approval???
The answers to these questions would be helpful. Anyone care to answer them?
How is this any different than Danny?
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Why not just open a new post on these Dryden questions?
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Why not just open a new post on these Dryden questions?
Because it always gets shut down and we get banned. He calls and whines about it.
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Open a new thread, document wherever possible, and ask away as civilly as possible.
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I second that.
Open a new thread, document wherever possible, and ask away as civilly as possible.
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Open a new thread, document wherever possible, and ask away as civilly as possible.
Really, Bob?
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Looks as though Danny & Company have started up those 3abn rallies again. On January 26 they went to Mansfield TX. Today they went to New Port Richie, Fl.
My guess is that he is hurting for cash.
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Open a new thread, document wherever possible, and ask away as civilly as possible.
Really, Bob?
Yes.
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This can't possibly be true. Some folks at anothr particular site have stated emphatically that 3ABN would NEVER stettle this case. :ROFL:
The "other site" 's MINDLESS LEMINGS still believe Danny Lee Shelton is the "anointed one" but I must ask, which POWER anionted him...Good or EVIL??? The history is very clear now for all but the most deluded!!! And they are still DELUSIONAL!!!
Now to wrest 3ABN from the hands of the EVIL ONE!!! If that cannot happen then there is no reason for 3ABN to continue!!! It is not the Three Angels Message and is, in fact, a hypocrisy!!!
It cannot possibly enjoy the Blessings of God and must either be taken over by those who really believe and live the Remnant Message or it must be set aside!!!
The exception would be that if THEY all confess their errors, ask foregiveness, revive their First Love and reform their lives, it would be possible it could be saved...barring that, their demise is certain!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I notice they're back to attacking Linda and calling Alex a liar again. The simple fact is, Alex won. He beat Danny. 3ABN settled because they knew they could not win the suit. They can spin all they want, but the fact is that Danny LOST. He's finally been caught.
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So Alex is a millionaire now?
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I will say this, Truth, has no idea what they're talking about. I cannot believe the things this person says and if anyone else does well they're simply an idiot. Anyone who know's me, Knows they don't have a clue. Their last post is all FULL of lies. I will not respond directly to the question's or "assumptions" that was raised......but you know what they say about assuming, right? lol
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Danny hasn't been hurt at all, says "Truth"? But Danny isn't president any more.
And for good reason. No one that covers up child molestation allegations should be in a position of power. And in my opinion, receiving kickbacks also disqualifies.
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"Truth": Why should I give any evidence of anything? You're just phiiiiiishing!
Let me get this straight......Why would anyone believe "Truth"?
"Truth" was wrong about Tommy going to prison.
"Truth" was wrong about the civil suit.
"Truth" has been wrong so many times, but still runs at the mouth as if they're in the "know?"
Truth do us a favor and hang it up. Anyone else notice how everyone has vanished, but "Truth" enjoys talking to his/her self? lol
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It looks like the mention of Danny Shelton's pedophilic tendencies has struck a nerve with the 3ABN defenders.
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If Danny denies such allegations, will his denials be worth more than his denials of the allegations against Tommy? That's the unfortunate thing. If he had always told the truth about Tommy and not tried to cover up anything, his word would be more easily accepted about these new, but actually rather old, allegations.
People wondered if Danny stepping down from being 3ABN president was just a charade, and whether he was still very much in control. Seems like "Truth" has now given support for the idea that Danny never really relinquished control.
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It looks like the mention of Danny Shelton's pedophilic tendencies has struck a nerve with the 3ABN defenders.
It also looks like the fact that Danny lost is also hard for them to take. he DID lose, BTW. That's why the case was settled. By the way, Alex, good job on not taking the bait. "Truth" is trying to get you to disclose the amount of your settlement.
You know, that brings up another point. If the amount of the settlement was not supposed to be discussed, how does "Truth" know how much money Alex does or does not have? Has Danny been discussing it, or perhaps "Truth" just revealed their identity? Hmmmm.....
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I didn't realize the amount of the settlement wasn't supposed to be discussed.
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I didn't realize the amount of the settlement wasn't supposed to be discussed.
From what I understand, that was part of the agreement.
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It looks like the mention of Danny Shelton's pedophilic tendencies has struck a nerve with the 3ABN defenders.
As well it should. Justice is coming to Southern Illinois.
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Darryl, you have asked the question of the century and the answer is simple enough: DLS Claims he created 3ABN "to counter-act the counterfeit"...with all the evidence that is NOW READILY AVAILABLE one must ask "WAS 3ABN the COUNTERFEIT or was it simply a masterful hypocracy?"
I am sure there have been board members, administrators, and employees over the 25 year history that sincerely believed in it's purpose, but those of discernment have quietly left without comment and in effect perpetuating the fraud. Slowly, but surely, the evidence mounts and 3ABN must face the whirlwind of ignoring clear and un-controverted evidence that the "annointed one" was NEVER ANNOINTED, at least by the Hands of the Lord!!!
SO, WHO DID ANNOINT HIM? A simple conclusion must be considered if one believes in the Great Controversy between Good and Evil!!! And we must conclude the imposter is in our very midst!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Why would God choose/impress such a person to be the creator/founder of 2ABN?
Who knows? Either one is possible. I think that was made clear to them. Danny is keenly aware there is evidence of pedophilia against him. Trust me I know.
So could be either one.
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Pastor Dryden filed a complaint with the board at 3ABN that largely went un-noticed and was, in fact, suppressed (covered up) by board members and DLS.
No-one is known to be a pedophilic victim of Pastor Dryden!!! Post all you want, it is MEANINGLESS compared to the 3ABN cover-up!!!
Let's concentrate on getting victims to have sufficient backbone, male and female, to step forward and expose the Man of Sin!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
May I go on a rant for a minute?
I LOVE how Duane and I are the only ones who are willing to publicly stand up against Glenn Dryden. Are you all aware of the part he played in this? This man deserves just as much attention as Tommy, Danny or 3ABN.
I intend to make it known to ALL, about his role in this Sega.
Duane and I PERSONALLY know Glenn Dryden and know what type of person he is. Now, his church members can come on here and say otherwise, but REMEMBER there IS proof. You can twist it and turn it all you want, but at the end of the day it is what it is!
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And you are absolutely correct, this is about 3ABN, not the COG. This is about pedophilia, not clergy malfeasance or malpractice. This is about Open Sin in the camp of Israel, not fallen protestantism.
And it is not a "personal" agenda, it is, in fact, a Church Agenda specific to the Seventh-day Adventist church.
You can storm and pout and take your marbles (and Lord knows you have plenty thanks to the many SDA's that built a foundation for you) and go home, but it will not change the focus of "ADVENTTALK".
Have a great life!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I am thoroughly convinced this site is focused on one and only one objective and that is to focus on Danny Shelton and 3ABN. Perhaps, there is some legitimacy to the claims of those who defend 3ABN. If we are going to throw fingers at people who have been involved in this situation.....why not everyone? :dunno: Why only Danny and 3ABN? :help: :scratch:
For that reason......I will make no further comments on this site until I notice that there is a change. Glenn Dryden is simply ignored, his church is ignored, what about their role in this mess? Now, I have been very patient. Well my patience has ran out. THOMAS GLENN DRYDEN will be exposed one way or another.
I suppose it is easier to ignore certain facts and broadcast others to support certain personal agendas.
:wave:
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Pastor Dryden filed a complaint with the board at 3ABN that largely went un-noticed and was, in fact, suppressed (covered up) by board members and DLS.
No-one is known to be a pedophilic victim of Pastor Dryden!!! Post all you want, it is MEANINGLESS compared to the 3ABN cover-up!!!
Let's concentrate on getting victims to have sufficient backbone, male and female, to step forward and expose the Man of Sin!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
May I go on a rant for a minute?
I LOVE how Duane and I are the only ones who are willing to publicly stand up against Glenn Dryden. Are you all aware of the part he played in this? This man deserves just as much attention as Tommy, Danny or 3ABN.
I intend to make it known to ALL, about his role in this Sega.
Duane and I PERSONALLY know Glenn Dryden and know what type of person he is. Now, his church members can come on here and say otherwise, but REMEMBER there IS proof. You can twist it and turn it all you want, but at the end of the day it is what it is!
I'm not Seventh Day Adventist and neither is Duane. However, we was both pulled into this mess by no choice of our own. We was pulled into it due to what occured to us. Now, Glenn Dryden is not Seventh Day Adventist either. BUT.... He pulled himself into this mess! He needs to own up to what he has done.
Oh by the way, have you forgotten the statement that Glenn himself posted on here? He opened the floodgates then. He brought himself into Adventtalk discussions.
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It may be meaningless to you Gailon, but it is not for us.
So Glenn Filed a complaint before or after signing Tommy's ordination license? He wasted no time sending letters out to fellow pastors about Tommy. Yet he signed his name to Tommy's certificate as long as 5 years after the first letter went out!!.So he sends letters out to churches and pastors telling them about Tommy then 5 years later he signs Tommy's certificate, and you're ok with that? lol. Well I AM NOT.
So was this supposed complaint before or after he signed Tommy's certificate? I'm willing to wager it was before.
I mean the simple fact that a majority of Tommy's victims have threw Glenn under the bus and want no part of him should tell you something! He thinks he's a hero.....huh? Well, most of us disagree.
So let me ask you Gailon. Do you think Glenn Dryden was right for signing that certificate in 2001? Do you believe we do not have the right to be outraged? Some of us trusted Glenn Dryden then to find out he did that are we to just ignore it and keep our mouth shut?
I mean, how could anyone say they agree it was right? Here is a man who was on Tommy's trail as early as 96 if not before. Then he himself in 2001 signs a certificate allowing him to continue to preach and do harm?
Then Glenn Dryden comes on "ADVENTTALK" and posted what he did on here. But, we shouldn't discuss him?
Have we forgotten what Glenn wrote? I will use quotes and address each one:
"It appears a purported victim, who by his admission was an adult when trysts took place, is attempting to deflect criticism for his lack of action – again, lack of action by his admission. Indeed, a competent adult, had he gone to authorities, it reasonably may be presumed that a number of adolescent victims would have been spared the anguish they have endured."
Now what is he saying here? He is talking about Duane. Basically blaming Duane for the abuse of other victims. Insinuating that there was this "love affair" between Duane and Tommy. Totally ignoring the fact that Duane was a victim himself. Tottaly ridiculous. Is this acceptable? I mean it's a good statment if you're a defense attorney or Greg Simpson. However, Glenn is not a defense attorney.
Next quote:
"With respect to the Ministerial Council of the Church of God, Inc., the hearts of the ministers who make up this Ministerial Council are grieved as a consequence of the suffering each victim has endured and continues to endure. As to Pastor Tommy Shelton’s relationship with this organization, I trust the foregoing expression of sentiment is not soured when I say we too were groomed, deceived and taken advantage of. In the time leading up to his ordination by our organization, Pastor Shelton was not forthright with those in the Ministerial Council's leadership. Regarding his past, he was manipulative and misleading. By giving the impression he had been mistreated by some in Illinois, he was able to play upon the sympathy he generated toward himself. It appears he did not withhold information that accusations of some kind had been brought against him in Illinois. He pronounced, however, upon the fact that these allegations were reviewed by law enforcement and not pursued. The impression left was that the allegations were motivated by jealousy and were unfounded."
What is he saying here? He's basically saying that he and the other members of the counsel was victims of Tommy, right? Well let me get this straight, aren't these GROWN men? In his previous quote he basically says that there is no way Duane could be a victim, he actually puts the Blame of Tommy on Duane. So using Glenn's logic how could he and the other members be a victim?
Next quote:
" I was serving as secretary-treasurer of the Ministerial Council when Tommy Shelton mailed me his 2001 minister's card in March of 2001. A responsibility of the secretary-treasurer of our Ministerial Council is to periodically issue each minister a "Minister's Card" which states the minister is "in good standing with the Ministerial Council of the Church of God." That is to say the minister is in good standing with the ministers of the organization. Pastor Tommy Shelton had been in good standing with the ministers of the organization as of late fall of 2000 when the 2001 Minister’s Card was mailed to him."
Here he acknowledges he did in fact send out that card. He attempts to make excuses as to why he signed it. So what is he saying? Basically that because Tommy was in good standing with the other ministers he had to sign it? Excuse me why I die laughing. That's ridiculous. Gailon, people, this was 5 years after the 96 letter to Pastor Byron Wood telling them they should not hire Tommy as pastor due to sexual relationships with boys. But here in 2001 he signs it because he's in "good standing"? Well, I for one would never had signed that knowing the allegations of sexual misconduct in the past. It's not the fact Glenn didn't believe the allegations was true, because he did! Yet, he still signs it allowing Tommy to continue Pastoring. Yet, I am to be OK with this? Dennis is to be ok with this? Duane is to be ok with this? Duane is to be ok with Glenn blaming him for further cases of molestation???
I know Glenn as does Duane. I know what type of person he is. He is not what he seems. This is evidence. If anyone is OK with this I would like to know who?
But Let's continue:
This was Duane Clem's reply to Dryden's post on Adventtalk.
Re: Glenn Dryden will you resign as pastor of the Community Church of God?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2012, 07:18:33 AM »
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There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Not only is he not sorry for his attack on me, he has now repeated it. What a great man of God.
So, you're telling us that Tommy Shelton was in good standing with the Ministerial Committee as of 2001. Is that correct? Could you please explain, then, why you resurrected the allegations in the late 1990s while pastor of Ezra Church of God, even going so far as to issue a letter of apology to the Church of God general offices in Illinois for past actions by the church and some of its members? I do have witnesses who will corroborate what I am saying. You've been caught in a lie, and you're attempting to cover it with another lie. You've started something that you can't control. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
By the way, your attack on me is being publicized.
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Duane is asking a reasonable question here. Why was Dryden issuing letter of appology to other churches in the 90s? Why 10 years later he did he sign his name?? This question needs to be answered.
Then you have Bob's reply to Dryden's comments. Bob, understands our point.
Re: Glenn Dryden will you resign as pastor of the Community Church of God?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2012, 12:00:21 PM »
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Pastor Glenn,
In hindsight, would it not have been better to inform the ministerial council that you could not in good conscience sign Tommy's 2001 ministerial credentials? Then, if they still wanted to issue them, someone else could have signed that card.
Was the letter of apology Duane refers to an effort on your part outside of the ministerial council to deal with the allegations against Tommy? If so, then signing that card comes across differently to me, since you then would not have been ignoring the allegations. Still, in hindsight, I think it would have been wiser not to sign that card.
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See? Bob sees the point. People, this was not a simple mistake.
So please Gailon.....Tell me what part should I not discuss about him? He's innocent? So let me ask you again, you're OK with all this? If so......WOW.
Oh, by the way, how come Pastor Arnold Edmondson who was a defender of Tommy and also served as a member of the Ministerial Counsel Glenn mentions.....How come he can appologize to the victims for being wrong, but Glenn can't? Afraid he may be sued? Well, so could have Edmondson and the other members, but he has asked for repentance. Guess what? We have forgiven him. Why can't Glenn be man enough to appologize???
Pastor Dryden filed a complaint with the board at 3ABN that largely went un-noticed and was, in fact, suppressed (covered up) by board members and DLS.
No-one is known to be a pedophilic victim of Pastor Dryden!!! Post all you want, it is MEANINGLESS compared to the 3ABN cover-up!!!
Let's concentrate on getting victims to have sufficient backbone, male and female, to step forward and expose the Man of Sin!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
May I go on a rant for a minute?
I LOVE how Duane and I are the only ones who are willing to publicly stand up against Glenn Dryden. Are you all aware of the part he played in this? This man deserves just as much attention as Tommy, Danny or 3ABN.
I intend to make it known to ALL, about his role in this Sega.
Duane and I PERSONALLY know Glenn Dryden and know what type of person he is. Now, his church members can come on here and say otherwise, but REMEMBER there IS proof. You can twist it and turn it all you want, but at the end of the day it is what it is!
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I'm convinced that 'Truth' on the other site is Danny or someone who is typing out what he dictates...
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Whoever "TRUTH" is, it is yet another OXYMORON just as Three Angels Broadcasting is an OXYMORON.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I'm convinced that 'Truth' on the other site is Danny or someone who is typing out what he dictates...
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I'm convinced that 'Truth' on the other site is Danny or someone who is typing out what he dictates...
Or, Mollie Steenson.
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In regards to my previous post on this thread: The quotes I used can be found under the thread: "Pastor Glenn Dryden will you resign as Pastor of the Community Church of God." I did not have time to fix them.
My hope is that the previous post does more to explain why we have issues with Dryden. Gailon, I hope you understand our position.
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Pastor Dryden filed a complaint with the board at 3ABN that largely went un-noticed and was, in fact, suppressed (covered up) by board members and DLS.
No-one is known to be a pedophilic victim of Pastor Dryden!!! Post all you want, it is MEANINGLESS compared to the 3ABN cover-up!!!
Let's concentrate on getting victims to have sufficient backbone, male and female, to step forward and expose the Man of Sin!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I have to agree with Alex and say that Dryden's insistence in digging up old wounds and publicizing them for his own gain are far from "meaningless." It certainly has meaning to me, since I have had to explain this to people time and time again to people who knew nothing about it before Dryden stuck his nose into this and began spreading gossip. And now he wants it to just stop and go away? Sorry, not gonna happen.
I have contacted him repeatedly asking for an apology for what he has done. Not only did he not apologize, he launched into an attack on me, suggesting I am somehow responsible for more young men being victimized because I didn't go to the police. What a disgusting man Glenn Dryden is, especially since we have solid evidence that he signed the minister's card of a man he had accused of sexual abuse for at least 4 years prior. Back him all you want, but the truth is out.
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I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT IT PUBLIC! THAT'S WHY! Did you ever think that some of us never wanted to deal with this again at all? Whining? Really, Gailon? I'm sorry, but you sound just like Dryden in some respects.
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And trust me, I'm gonna do a lot better than sue Dryden. I'm going to expose him publicly as the liar, backstabber and fake that he is. You can COUNT on that!
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I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT IT PUBLIC! THAT'S WHY! Did you ever think that some of us never wanted to deal with this again at all? Whining? Really, Gailon? I'm sorry, but you sound just like Dryden in some respects.
:TY: :amen:
Has Dryden threatened to sue you Gailon? You failed to answer my question..........do you agree with Dryden's signing of that license?
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I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Excuse me? I did go after Danny and 3ABN for the cover up! Also why do you think Tommy is in prison? Your response makes no sense.
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And just so you know, my focus is no longer on 3ABN, Danny, or Tommy. My concentration is no longer on them. Tommy is serving time. And justice has been won. To be honest, I think we're beating a dead horse. What more do we expect to happen to them? Now, Dryden is a different story......I have been to busy to spend time focusing on him.......but now it's GAME ON!
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IF I am "sounding like Dryden" then you have NO COMPLAINT!!! You need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you did not act.....inertia favors the perpetrators...and you have been chief of inertia!!! Make it count, step to the plate and slam the ball or go back to the bleachers and watch perpetrators "get away with it!!!".
IF YOU MEAN I HAVE LITTLE OR NO SYMPATHY FOR INERTIA...you are 100% correct...now you MUST subscribe to "I SAY WHAT I MEAN AND I MEAN WHAT I SAY"!!!
So, just when will we benefit from this sudden call to action? This afternoon. evening or just before mid-night!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT IT PUBLIC! THAT'S WHY! Did you ever think that some of us never wanted to deal with this again at all? Whining? Really, Gailon? I'm sorry, but you sound just like Dryden in some respects.
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IF I am "sounding like Dryden" then you have NO COMPLAINT!!! You need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you did not act.....inertia favors the perpetrators...and you have been chief of inertia!!! Make it count, step to the plate and slam the ball or go back to the bleachers and watch perpetrators "get away with it!!!".
IF YOU MEAN I HAVE LITTLE OR NO SYMPATHY FOR INERTIA...you are 100% correct...now you MUST subscribe to "I SAY WHAT I MEAN AND I MEAN WHAT I SAY"!!!
So, just when will we benefit from this sudden call to action? This afternoon. evening or just before mid-night!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT IT PUBLIC! THAT'S WHY! Did you ever think that some of us never wanted to deal with this again at all? Whining? Really, Gailon? I'm sorry, but you sound just like Dryden in some respects.
Wow, Gailon. This is ridiculous.
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IF I am "sounding like Dryden" then you have NO COMPLAINT!!! You need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why you did not act.....inertia favors the perpetrators...and you have been chief of inertia!!! Make it count, step to the plate and slam the ball or go back to the bleachers and watch perpetrators "get away with it!!!".
IF YOU MEAN I HAVE LITTLE OR NO SYMPATHY FOR INERTIA...you are 100% correct...now you MUST subscribe to "I SAY WHAT I MEAN AND I MEAN WHAT I SAY"!!!
So, just when will we benefit from this sudden call to action? This afternoon. evening or just before mid-night!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT IT PUBLIC! THAT'S WHY! Did you ever think that some of us never wanted to deal with this again at all? Whining? Really, Gailon? I'm sorry, but you sound just like Dryden in some respects.
I'm sorry Gailon.....but I thought you was on the side of the victims? Sounds like to me you're attacking Duane. So it's his fault? If that's what you're saying then Duane's right......You are no better than Glenn Dryden.
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DID NOT SEE THE QUESTION..."Did Dryden threaten to sue you, Gailon..?" Answer: NO, but I cannot imagine his basis in fact or law upon which to do so. If you are aware of such a relevant tort, please advise!!!
I was stymied when the Board in Dun Loring shut him up after the Insurance Attorney met with them, but, having managed claims, I certainly understand why they closed the door and forced us to file a Miscellaneous case in Virginia to serve subpoena duces teacum and force production and that was done. They really chose not to defend and provided everything deemed "relevant", albeit deficient in retrospect as we were not aware that Brad was still working for 3ABN while there. We would most certainly have expanded the request, but then your lawyers opted not to produce either and simply took the "settlement path"!!!
As to "Dryden signing the license"...just remember it took more than Dryden to get that done and the counsel of Many failed here, despite overwhelming evidence...as silent as it was at the time. Had all the victims stepped forward and crushed these pedophilic supporters back then, this would never have happened!!! But then, you would not have been a victim and have a claim either!!! Which means your wallet would be a good deal lighter!!!
And so, I am forced to ask: What is the point? Where do you want this to go? Are we above to see REAL PUBLIC REVELATIONS and a bit more litigation, or just more "where's the beef?"
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT IT PUBLIC! THAT'S WHY! Did you ever think that some of us never wanted to deal with this again at all? Whining? Really, Gailon? I'm sorry, but you sound just like Dryden in some respects.
:TY: :amen:
Has Dryden threatened to sue you Gailon? You failed to answer my question..........do you agree with Dryden's signing of that license?
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I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Excuse me? I did go after Danny and 3ABN for the cover up! Also why do you think Tommy is in prison? Your response makes no sense.
I remember well your initial response to our public allegation...and the entire affair should have ended in the 80's, but did not!!! That is why you became a victim!!! AND DO YOU BELIEVE YOU WERE THE ONLY VICTIM??? OR EVEN THE LAST???
Pardon my failure to condone what is clearly an egocentric response and lacks any real burden for the OTHER VICTIMS, male and female!!! That is, at the very least, a self-serving response and is why the victimization went on for so long!!! And will it end because you sued for money???
We stopped talking some time ago...I refused to adhere to your concept of secret negotiations and the failure to make it a "comprehensive settlement"...but that was not then and clearly is not now, your agenda. SURPRISE!!!
And now you have a Dryden Agenda...make it good enough to prove in a court of competent jurisdiction or you may find yourself sharing some of the "hard earned winnings"!!! I am sure Dryden would appreciate a boost to his retirement account...so, put your money where you mouth is and let's just see what you have!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I have already answered why I didn't take action. I said i didn't want it public. Dryden should have minded his own business. He didn't, and now he will suffer the cnsequences. I have chosen not to do anything on my own behalf. That is going to have to be good enough for you. I owe you no explanation, and you will get none.
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BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT IT PUBLIC! THAT'S WHY!
There may be some misunderstandings. If one doesn't want it public, one should never report it to law enforcement, since if there is a prosecution it certainly will be public. But never reporting it to law enforcement is the kind of thing that enables perpetrators. I assume you aren't meaning not urging law enforcement to prosecute?
Secondly, it has come to my attention that there has been some question as to how much Dryden gave us that we then published. We did obtain his letter to Walt Thompson, and I think Riva's letter to Dryden and Dryden's response to Riva, and we did get an edited version of his announcement of new allegations in Virginia. But most of what we obtained from Dunn Loring and Dryden we got via subpoena after we were sued, not before. Certain key documents that were quite incriminating we never got until we subpoenaed Dryden.
Those who followed our case know that we pursued subpoenaing Remnant's documents quite aggressively. If the CCoG and Dryden wanted an expensive court battle, they could have fought our subpoena. But it isn't likely that they would have won. While 3ABN fought our getting documents from Remnant, the auditor, Danny's bank, and 3ABN and Danny themselves, they didn't bother fighting our getting documents from the CCoG or from Dryden.
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I fail to understand WHY it took so long for any of you to deal directly with this issue MANY moons ago!!!
WHY did no-one go after TOMMY RAY SHELTON the master pedophile of Southern Illinois for how many decades?
Why did no-one go after Danny Lee Shelton for covering up for TOMMY RAY SHELTON?
Why did no-one expose 3ABN for becoming a bastion of cover-up and malfeasance for so many decades?
If Dryden has been passing on "gossip", SUE HIM!!! And sue the COG for having buried and condoned this OPEN SIN issue for so long!!!
But, why have you not demanded an apology from Tommy, Danny, 3ABN and a host of other players???
I regret to point out that YOU have made it MEANINGLESS by your failure to act...so ACT and we will report it!!! Give it REAL Meaning!!!
Stop whining and WIN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Excuse me? I did go after Danny and 3ABN for the cover up! Also why do you think Tommy is in prison? Your response makes no sense.
I remember well your initial response to our public allegation...and the entire affair should have ended in the 80's, but did not!!! That is why you became a victim!!! AND DO YOU BELIEVE YOU WERE THE ONLY VICTIM??? OR EVEN THE LAST???
Pardon my failure to condone what is clearly an egocentric response and lacks any real burden for the OTHER VICTIMS, male and female!!! That is, at the very least, a self-serving response and is why the victimization went on for so long!!! And will it end because you sued for money???
We stopped talking some time ago...I refused to adhere to your concept of secret negotiations and the failure to make it a "comprehensive settlement"...but that was not then and clearly is not now, your agenda. SURPRISE!!!
And now you have a Dryden Agenda...make it good enough to prove in a court of competent jurisdiction or you may find yourself sharing some of the "hard earned winnings"!!! I am sure Dryden would appreciate a boost to his retirement account...so, put your money where you mouth is and let's just see what you have!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Gailon you are ignorant. Tell Dryden to sue me then, he won't win and he know it. Your a waste of time and I refuse to respond to you any longer.
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I have already answered why I didn't take action. I said i didn't want it public. Dryden should have minded his own business. He didn't, and now he will suffer the cnsequences. I have chosen not to do anything on my own behalf. That is going to have to be good enough for you. I owe you no explanation, and you will get none.
Exactly. Who does he think he is? Duane, he wasn't a victim. He has no idea......he can run at the mouth all he wants. We know the truth.
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There may be some misunderstandings. If one doesn't want it public, one should never report it to law enforcement, since if there is a prosecution it certainly will be public. But never reporting it to law enforcement is the kind of thing that enables perpetrators. I assume you aren't meaning not urging law enforcement to prosecute?
No, there's no misunderstanding at all. Gailon is basically accusing me of letting them "get away with it" because I haven't filed a lawsuit, or joined one. I have had it with this whole ordeal, and I just don't want to be bothered with it anymore. I don't appreciate the bullying.
Secondly, it has come to my attention that there has been some question as to how much Dryden gave us that we then published. We did obtain his letter to Walt Thompson, and I think Riva's letter to Dryden and Dryden's response to Riva, and we did get an edited version of his announcement of new allegations in Virginia. But most of what we obtained from Dunn Loring and Dryden we got via subpoena after we were sued, not before. Certain key documents that were quite incriminating we never got until we subpoenaed Dryden.
I have never questioned that. My problem is Dryden's involvement AT ALL. This whole thing is NONE of his business. Take, for instance, his "announcement of new allegations in Virginia." He has no place to be "announcing" anything. If he has information about sexual abuse allegations, his job is to report that to the authorities and help the victim if they want his help. Other than that, he is to keep his flapping jaws shut. Making announcements and sending out letters everywhere is just an attempt to insert himself into the situation. After destroying 2 churches, I guess he was trying to find something else to occupy his sorry excuse for an existence.
Those who followed our case know that we pursued subpoenaing Remnant's documents quite aggressively. If the CCoG and Dryden wanted an expensive court battle, they could have fought our subpoena. But it isn't likely that they would have won. While 3ABN fought our getting documents from Remnant, the auditor, Danny's bank, and 3ABN and Danny themselves, they didn't bother fighting our getting documents from the CCoG or from Dryden.
That's fine, but I don't see what that has to do with what I said.
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The problem is, there is nothing new here!!! More of the same old, same old!!! Someday consider where pro-active process got Mr. Walker versus your inaction!!! And you have similar complaint with similar situs. Think long and hard on this while you ply the roads of America!!! And then hire a bloody lawyer!!!
And by the way, it is you and Alex that raised the Dryden Issue. What Dryden did or did not do is nowhere near what Tommy Ray and Danny Lee allowed to go on for over forty years. At best, Dryden was just one of MANY ENABLERS. You have particular hatred for the former "pastor" who at least made some attempt to deal with the issue. In the geo-politics of churches it does not surprise me that administrators in various capacities grant various credentials when they should no do so. Like it or not, it is a living breathing example of Laodicea at work!!! But be careful and when pointing the finger consider the image in your mirror and what decisions you made that "enabled"!!!
And if that is "bullying", so be it!!! The truth cannot be ignored, like it or not!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I have already answered why I didn't take action. I said i didn't want it public. Dryden should have minded his own business. He didn't, and now he will suffer the cnsequences. I have chosen not to do anything on my own behalf. That is going to have to be good enough for you. I owe you no explanation, and you will get none.
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Hire a lawyer? Are you threatening me, Gailon? If so, it's not working. I'm NOT afraid of you or the liar, meddler and failed pastor Glenn Dryden. You forget, I sat under his alleged "pastorate" for years. I know him. You don't.
You're right. I DID raise the Dryden issue. He wanted publicity so he got it. Again, his responsibility was to go to law enforcement and then shut his mouth. He didn't, because he wanted to be a hero. To be honest, he seems to have a sick obsession with getting the details.
So, if you want to sue me, you go right ahead. I'm not one bit afraid of either of you. Sorry.
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I'm not afraid of being sued either. They won't win....Everything that has been posted has been truthful and CAN be backed up. So sue me!!! .Like you have said many times before Gailon.......MAKE MY DAY!
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Hire a lawyer? Are you threatening me, Gailon? If so, it's not working. I'm NOT afraid of you or the liar, meddler and failed pastor Glenn Dryden. You forget, I sat under his alleged "pastorate" for years. I know him. You don't.
You're right. I DID raise the Dryden issue. He wanted publicity so he got it. Again, his responsibility was to go to law enforcement and then shut his mouth. He didn't, because he wanted to be a hero. To be honest, he seems to have a sick obsession with getting the details.
So, if you want to sue me, you go right ahead. I'm not one bit afraid of either of you. Sorry.
I know a few good lawyers. lol
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There may be some misunderstandings. If one doesn't want it public, one should never report it to law enforcement, since if there is a prosecution it certainly will be public. But never reporting it to law enforcement is the kind of thing that enables perpetrators. I assume you aren't meaning not urging law enforcement to prosecute?
No, there's no misunderstanding at all. Gailon is basically accusing me of letting them "get away with it" because I haven't filed a lawsuit, or joined one. I have had it with this whole ordeal, and I just don't want to be bothered with it anymore. I don't appreciate the bullying.
That's good that you haven't misunderstood. But someone somewhere has and thought that Dryden had given us a particular document which we then published.
Secondly, it has come to my attention that there has been some question as to how much Dryden gave us that we then published. We did obtain his letter to Walt Thompson, and I think Riva's letter to Dryden and Dryden's response to Riva, and we did get an edited version of his announcement of new allegations in Virginia. But most of what we obtained from Dunn Loring and Dryden we got via subpoena after we were sued, not before. Certain key documents that were quite incriminating we never got until we subpoenaed Dryden.
I have never questioned that. My problem is Dryden's involvement AT ALL. This whole thing is NONE of his business. Take, for instance, his "announcement of new allegations in Virginia." He has no place to be "announcing" anything. If he has information about sexual abuse allegations, his job is to report that to the authorities and help the victim if they want his help. Other than that, he is to keep his flapping jaws shut. Making announcements and sending out letters everywhere is just an attempt to insert himself into the situation. After destroying 2 churches, I guess he was trying to find something else to occupy his sorry excuse for an existence.
His Nov. 19, 2006 "announcement" was originally to the CCoG board of trustees. If he had never told his board that, I would think he was remiss in his pastoral duties, and could rightly be accused of being involved in a coverup. Whether he should have passed on an edited version to us would be a different question.
Those who followed our case know that we pursued subpoenaing Remnant's documents quite aggressively. If the CCoG and Dryden wanted an expensive court battle, they could have fought our subpoena. But it isn't likely that they would have won. While 3ABN fought our getting documents from Remnant, the auditor, Danny's bank, and 3ABN and Danny themselves, they didn't bother fighting our getting documents from the CCoG or from Dryden.
That's fine, but I don't see what that has to do with what I said.
It has more to do with someone else's misunderstanding which I referred to above. Dryden had to turn over the documents that he hadn't given us before.
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Hire a lawyer? Are you threatening me, Gailon? If so, it's not working. I'm NOT afraid of you or the liar, meddler and failed pastor Glenn Dryden. You forget, I sat under his alleged "pastorate" for years. I know him. You don't.
You're right. I DID raise the Dryden issue. He wanted publicity so he got it. Again, his responsibility was to go to law enforcement and then shut his mouth. He didn't, because he wanted to be a hero. To be honest, he seems to have a sick obsession with getting the details.
So, if you want to sue me, you go right ahead. I'm not one bit afraid of either of you. Sorry.
He didn't threaten you at all. Read again what he wrote:
Someday consider where pro-active process got Mr. Walker versus your inaction!!! And you have similar complaint with similar situs. Think long and hard on this while you ply the roads of America!!! And then hire a bloody lawyer!!!
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Well, it sure sounds like a threat to me. I don't need a lawyer. I have done nothing wrong. I'm tired of being faulted because I don't want to file or join any kind of civil action. If others have chosen to, that's their choice and I fully support them in that. However, it's also my choice if I choose not to. I don't need to be constantly berated about my "inaction." If Dryden had kept his mouth shut, no one would have even known about my past. Believe me, I know several things on him that he doesn't want public. The difference is, I'm not going to broadcast them under the guise of "just trying to help."
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There may be some misunderstandings. If one doesn't want it public, one should never report it to law enforcement, since if there is a prosecution it certainly will be public. But never reporting it to law enforcement is the kind of thing that enables perpetrators. I assume you aren't meaning not urging law enforcement to prosecute?
No, there's no misunderstanding at all. Gailon is basically accusing me of letting them "get away with it" because I haven't filed a lawsuit, or joined one. I have had it with this whole ordeal, and I just don't want to be bothered with it anymore. I don't appreciate the bullying.
That's good that you haven't misunderstood. But someone somewhere has and thought that Dryden had given us a particular document which we then published.
Secondly, it has come to my attention that there has been some question as to how much Dryden gave us that we then published. We did obtain his letter to Walt Thompson, and I think Riva's letter to Dryden and Dryden's response to Riva, and we did get an edited version of his announcement of new allegations in Virginia. But most of what we obtained from Dunn Loring and Dryden we got via subpoena after we were sued, not before. Certain key documents that were quite incriminating we never got until we subpoenaed Dryden.
I have never questioned that. My problem is Dryden's involvement AT ALL. This whole thing is NONE of his business. Take, for instance, his "announcement of new allegations in Virginia." He has no place to be "announcing" anything. If he has information about sexual abuse allegations, his job is to report that to the authorities and help the victim if they want his help. Other than that, he is to keep his flapping jaws shut. Making announcements and sending out letters everywhere is just an attempt to insert himself into the situation. After destroying 2 churches, I guess he was trying to find something else to occupy his sorry excuse for an existence.
His Nov. 19, 2006 "announcement" was originally to the CCoG board of trustees. If he had never told his board that, I would think he was remiss in his pastoral duties, and could rightly be accused of being involved in a coverup. Whether he should have passed on an edited version to us would be a different question.
Those who followed our case know that we pursued subpoenaing Remnant's documents quite aggressively. If the CCoG and Dryden wanted an expensive court battle, they could have fought our subpoena. But it isn't likely that they would have won. While 3ABN fought our getting documents from Remnant, the auditor, Danny's bank, and 3ABN and Danny themselves, they didn't bother fighting our getting documents from the CCoG or from Dryden.
That's fine, but I don't see what that has to do with what I said.
It has more to do with someone else's misunderstanding which I referred to above. Dryden had to turn over the documents that he hadn't given us before.
No, he should not have passed it on to you! He should have passed it on to authorities not you. And after he did that he should have kept his big mouth shut.
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I also had to send Dryden an email recently telling him to shut up. I received a call from a former CCOG member telling me Dryden was still being a busybody and telling things about me that was none of his business. Of course, the coward didn't respond. I don't see how a man who has taken 2 thriving congregations and literally destroyed them credible anyway. But, maybe if he preached out of the Bible and not books hes read he may have had more success.
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THAT IS A MATTER OF OPINION!!!
As to your earth shattering revelations for Pastor Dryden, we all understand that seven figure settlements can add greatly to ones WISDOM and make one as "ALL POWERFULL" as the wizard of Oz...but then, the Dryden Revelations best be earth shattering...or is it "much ado about nuttin"???
We eagerly await your astute wisdom and revelation!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Hire a lawyer? Are you threatening me, Gailon? If so, it's not working. I'm NOT afraid of you or the liar, meddler and failed pastor Glenn Dryden. You forget, I sat under his alleged "pastorate" for years. I know him. You don't.
You're right. I DID raise the Dryden issue. He wanted publicity so he got it. Again, his responsibility was to go to law enforcement and then shut his mouth. He didn't, because he wanted to be a hero. To be honest, he seems to have a sick obsession with getting the details.
So, if you want to sue me, you go right ahead. I'm not one bit afraid of either of you. Sorry.
I know a few good lawyers. lol
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Let's not lose sight of what is important here and what concerns those of us who are SDA. The Dryden situation has got to be a matter that is handled by the Church of God. If he needs to be exposed, then fine. But this is not the place because this sight deals with matters involving the SDA church.
Alex, this isn't meant to discourage you. You're help is still needed.
Our quest is to make our church aware, and free of the deceit that continues to be put upon them by Danny Shelton and 3abn. We cannot lose sight of that. We need to be united in our efforts.
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That is an INCREDIBLE allegation and one which is most certainly is disputable. It would seem that we have lost sight of damage done by Tommy Lee Shelton and that Dryden became the "clean-up" pastor after both churches were immersed in controversy, scandal and maladministration.
I do not believe even your learned knowledge is in any position to support this outrageous allegation!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I also had to send Dryden an email recently telling him to shut up. I received a call from a former CCOG member telling me Dryden was still being a busybody and telling things about me that was none of his business. Of course, the coward didn't respond. I don't see how a man who has taken 2 thriving congregations and literally destroyed them credible anyway. But, maybe if he preached out of the Bible and not books hes read he may have had more success.
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Those who followed our case know that we pursued subpoenaing Remnant's documents quite aggressively. If the CCoG and Dryden wanted an expensive court battle, they could have fought our subpoena. But it isn't likely that they would have won. While 3ABN fought our getting documents from Remnant, the auditor, Danny's bank, and 3ABN and Danny themselves, they didn't bother fighting our getting documents from the CCoG or from Dryden.
That's fine, but I don't see what that has to do with what I said.
It has more to do with someone else's misunderstanding which I referred to above. Dryden had to turn over the documents that he hadn't given us before.
No, he should not have passed it on to you! He should have passed it on to authorities not you. And after he did that he should have kept his big mouth shut.
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I'm interested in knowing just how far you think Dryden should have pursued such a refusal to respond to a subpoena issued by the clerk of a federal court. (A federal court clerk certainly sounds like an authority to me.) How many thousands in legal fees should he have been willing to spend? What sorts of penalties should he have been willing to shoulder if the judge had found him in contempt of court for refusing to obey a lawful subpoena?
Your attorney subpoenaed me. Should I have refused to respond, telling him that since he wasn't a policeman I wasn't going to give him anything, because it was none of his business? That he wasn't an "authority" even though federal law considers the attorneys on the case to be "officers of the court"?
And if every one of your witnesses pursued the same course, telling you and your attorneys that it was none of your business, that they would only speak with law enforcement, would you have ever been able to settle your case, and if so, for how much?
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Bob, don't twist my words. I'm saying that he shouldn't have passed things that was not subpoenaed to you. And don't say he didn't, because that would be a lie.
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Gailon, Dryden has not "cleaned up" anything. He is a failure. Again, I went to his church. You did not. Case closed.
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Gailon, Dryden has not "cleaned up" anything. He is a failure. Again, I went to his church. You did not. Case closed.
Such arrogance!!! "Case closed."?
There is nothing I can find more objectionable than ANYONE telling me: This is the story...and you must accept it without further consideration!!! Did we do that when Danny Lee Shelton or Chairman Thompson made similar assertions? ABSOLUTELY NOT and it will NOT HAPPEN FOR YOU!!!
You have made clear assertions and allegations...they are clearly disputable...Pastor Dryden came into a church torn asunder by YOUR controversy and scandal. He left, how many years ago??? I can tell you it is 23 years he has been gone...and just why has it not rebuilt under a new pastor or pastors???
When you consider that and answer that OBVIOUS Query, we MAY have a foundation for discussion. If you cannot answer the obvious, this discussion is FAR FROM CLOSED!!! WE SEARCH FOR ANSWERS...WE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH!!!
You cannot blame a single person for a lifetime for the failure or a church that is far from it's height, ironically when the MAN OF SIN reigned and all fell in lock-step to suppress the open and notorious sin of it's pastor...and you cannot escape that simple truth as Shelton served how many times???
It is not that simple and you do not get away with answers that defy history on this websight!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Where do you get your math? Dryden did not leave Ezra 23 years ago......
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Gailon, Dryden has not "cleaned up" anything. He is a failure. Again, I went to his church. You did not. Case closed.
Such arrogance!!! "Case closed."?
There is nothing I can find more objectionable than ANYONE telling me: This is the story...and you must accept it without further consideration!!! Did we do that when Danny Lee Shelton or Chairman Thompson made similar assertions? ABSOLUTELY NOT and it will NOT HAPPEN FOR YOU!!!
You have made clear assertions and allegations...they are clearly disputable...Pastor Dryden came into a church torn asunder by YOUR controversy and scandal. He left, how many years ago??? I can tell you it is 23 years he has been gone...and just why has it not rebuilt under a new pastor or pastors???
When you consider that and answer that OBVIOUS Query, we MAY have a foundation for discussion. If you cannot answer the obvious, this discussion is FAR FROM CLOSED!!! WE SEARCH FOR ANSWERS...WE SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH!!!
You cannot blame a single person for a lifetime for the failure or a church that is far from it's height, ironically when the MAN OF SIN reigned and all fell in lock-step to suppress the open and notorious sin of it's pastor...and you cannot escape that simple truth as Shelton served how many times???
It is not that simple and you do not get away with answers that defy history on this websight!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Ezra has rebuilt. No thanks to Glenn Dryden. My understanding is they are growing. Glenn Dryden did them a favor by leaving, but it wasn't 23 years ago. Your Math is wrong. Now, CCOG is nearly dead due to Dryden. So your point is??????
And he's aarogant? Take a look in the mirror.
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So Alex is a millionaire now?
Present Value may be debatable, but there is no question he will be comfortable for a very long time. If he manages his money wisely, he will be comfortable the rest of his life!!! He actually settled two cases in one as 3ABN did not want a second front in Virginia!!! Nor did the insurance company!!!
Sadly, there was a five million dollar policy was on the table against the COG Dun Loring!!! This was forfeited in Alex's case, but not for OTHER claimants.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Whatever one may think of Dryden on a personal level, I have my doubts that the cases in in VA and IL would have gone as smoothly as they did had Dryden said nothing.
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Where do you get your math? Dryden did not leave Ezra 23 years ago......
When did he leave?
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No, Ezra is not growing. They are still reeling from the effects of Dryden's incompetence. The truth is, there was another pastor right after TS and the church did well under his leadership. People left regularly under Dryden.
Use caps all you want, but this is not "my" controversy. I did nothing to create it.
I don't know how to make it any more olain. The decision of whether or not to file a suit is mine alone. You have no right to expect me to go one way or the other, Gailon.
As far as "things going more smoothly" after Dryden's gossip, that couldn't be further from the truth. I had moved on, and now I have to deal with this again daily. Glenn Dryden is a jerk for digging this up again. He is no hero.
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Bob, don't twist my words. I'm saying that he shouldn't have passed things that was not subpoenaed to you. And don't say he didn't, because that would be a lie.
My apologies for misunderstanding what you meant. Since you wrote:
No, he should not have passed it on to you! He should have passed it on to authorities not you. And after he did that he should have kept his big mouth shut.
right after I wrote:
It has more to do with someone else's misunderstanding which I referred to above. Dryden had to turn over the documents that he hadn't given us before.
I took you to mean that he shouldn't have turned over the documents to us that he had to turn over to us because of the subpoena.
And do note that I was addressing a document that, according to my understanding, someone thought Dryden had given us without being subpoenaed.
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Where do you get your math? Dryden did not leave Ezra 23 years ago......
When did he leave?
23 years ago would be 1990. I think Gailon may have been referring to Tommy leaving Ezra or Illinois rather than Dryden. Tommy hit the road promoting 3ABN in 1991, I believe.
Dryden was back in Dunn Loring by 2006 for sure, and was still in Illinois in 2003.
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Bob, don't twist my words. I'm saying that he shouldn't have passed things that was not subpoenaed to you. And don't say he didn't, because that would be a lie.
My apologies for misunderstanding what you meant. Since you wrote:
No, he should not have passed it on to you! He should have passed it on to authorities not you. And after he did that he should have kept his big mouth shut.
right after I wrote:
It has more to do with someone else's misunderstanding which I referred to above. Dryden had to turn over the documents that he hadn't given us before.
I took you to mean that he shouldn't have turned over the documents to us that he had to turn over to us because of the subpoena.
And do note that I was addressing a document that, according to my understanding, someone thought Dryden had given us without being subpoenaed.
I understand, Bob. However, I was meaning he should not have done it voluntary.
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Where is Dryden now?
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Where is Dryden now?
In Dunn Loring, VA, "growing" CCOG the way he "grew" Ezra.
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Let's concentrate now on demanding transparency and accountability on Danny Shelton and 3abn.
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Well, I for one, will not be engaged in matter's of Danny or 3ABN. SIMPLY MEANING: They're no longer my concern. To be frank, I could careless.
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Let's concentrate now on demanding transparency and accountability on Danny Shelton and 3abn.
What are some ways you think that might be accomplished, horsethief, other than just posting here on AdventTalk?
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Proof, prima Facie, money can soothe one's agony and lead to pure ecstacy!!! Since there is never enough, let's see what we can do to make Dryden's life miserable!!!
Think there is any money there, left on the table to collect? Or can this really just be "retribution"?
Regardless, I have yet to see any evidence that DLS or 3ABN have "found Jesus" and will remain a focus, particularly in this category.
I am guessing you were declaring publicly "I could CARE LESS!!!" not being "careless", albeit, I would suggest the latter to be more accurate.
And yes, I did say that...and note we have yet to see any supporting evidence of prior boisterous remarks on the Dryden subject for our enlightenment or edification!!! AND WE WAIT WITH BAITED BREATH!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Well, I for one, will not be engaged in matter's of Danny or 3ABN. SIMPLY MEANING: They're no longer my concern. To be frank, I could careless.
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Gailon: we have given the facts. I have repeatedly asked you a simple question and you refuse to answer. YOU can run at the mouth all you want but YOU will not shut me up. Sorry. Until your a victim and been through what we have, I'd advise you to keep your mouth shut about things you have no idea about.
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Let our brothers and sisters in the faith know that 3abn is not what it presents itself to be.
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And that, Mr. Walker, is the issue... you ran at the mouth and repeatedly seek sympathy...none here, old boy!!! You have been adequately compensated and now express a disdain for 3ABN issues, claiming that we should now focus on Dryden...why???
Are you claiming to be a victim here as well??? Nay, simply hostility for a man that speaks his mind...clearly a disdainful rule in your world!!! And you now allege the failure of your old church was the fault of Dryden...a remarkable prejudice built on a lack of reality given your own claim of being a victim and nearly two dozen more that we have identified, not including Dun Loring!!!
Do you really expect us to believe that the underlying issues in those churches had nothing to do with the outrageous actions of Tommy Ray Shelton and the cover-up by Danny Lee Shelton??? And in fact Pastor Dryden is completely culpable? Has Dryden done ANYTHING that even closely resembles the inappropriate actions of Danny Lee Shelton and Tommy Ray Shelton??? Has he dumped his wife and remarried? Has he had inappropriate relationships with other women or men?
So, get on with specific allegations that can be clarified or move on as we continue to focus on 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton!!! That is a problem that is still unresolved and requires redress!!!
Nearly two weeks later we still await your specific answers!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Gailon: we have given the facts. I have repeatedly asked you a simple question and you refuse to answer. YOU can run at the mouth all you want but YOU will not shut me up. Sorry. Until your a victim and been through what we have, I'd advise you to keep your mouth shut about things you have no idea about.
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Let our brothers and sisters in the faith know that 3abn is not what it presents itself to be.
It seems like that has been attemped at times over the last six to eight years.
The problem is that churches still list 3ABN as a media source in their bulletins, etc.
Without any words of warning coming down from the top of the church organization, it is difficult.
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Takes time. We're not finished yet.
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Sometimes it seems like nothing is happening.
If behind-the-scenes activity is taking place, as Gailon suggests, I would like to hear more about it.
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How can anyone criticize 3ABN when they feature such holy-looking books, study materials, and speakers on the front page of their web site.
And of course Danny Shelton's story is there on the site too...
Three Angels Broadcasting Network began in the early morning hours of November 15, 1984 when Danny Shelton, a carpenter from Southern Illinois, was kept awake by troubling thoughts...
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Some Conferences also still list 3ABN in their Conference Directory.
Let our brothers and sisters in the faith know that 3abn is not what it presents itself to be.
It seems like that has been attemped at times over the last six to eight years.
The problem is that churches still list 3ABN as a media source in their bulletins, etc.
Without any words of warning coming down from the top of the church organization, it is difficult.
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Some Conferences also still list 3ABN in their Conference Directory.
Let our brothers and sisters in the faith know that 3abn is not what it presents itself to be.
It seems like that has been attemped at times over the last six to eight years.
The problem is that churches still list 3ABN as a media source in their bulletins, etc.
Without any words of warning coming down from the top of the church organization, it is difficult.
I think that is a really bad thing.
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Has he had inappropriate relationships with other women or men?
I'll say this. He has put himself in a questionable position where that is concerned, the exact thing he accused me of doing for years. The man is a hypocrite.
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Has he had inappropriate relationships with other women or men?
I'll say this. He has put himself in a questionable position where that is concerned, the exact thing he accused me of doing for years. The man is a hypocrite.
Are we talking about Danny Shelton here?
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Has he had inappropriate relationships with other women or men?
I'll say this. He has put himself in a questionable position where that is concerned, the exact thing he accused me of doing for years. The man is a hypocrite.
Are we talking about Danny Shelton here?
No. He is talking about Glenn.
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Thank you Artiste. That was LONG overdue...
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Has he had inappropriate relationships with other women or men?
I'll say this. He has put himself in a questionable position where that is concerned, the exact thing he accused me of doing for years. The man is a hypocrite.
Are we talking about Danny S. here?
NO, Artiste, IT'S TIME TO TRADE IN YOUR **********************.!
I'M SO TIRED OF POSTING AN ANSWER TO YOU AND NEVER HAVING YOU ANSWER ME. Danny S. has Never said one public, or documented word against Duane. (anyone who disagrees , best provide proof of that) so could never be guilty of what he has accused Duane of as he has accused him of nothing. Glenn Dryden is another story... He is why Duane was forced to try and protect his ministry.
Now. as is typical. just ignore what I (And Clem) post, and instead ask Pickle or Joy if this is true and regardless of the answers ,(lack of answers) ignore the documented facts, and refuse to document your views or theirs. ( PLEASE DON'T)We know better than to ask them.... THEY NEVER ANSWER A DIRECT QUESTION OR REQUEST FOR PROOF, WE HAVE YEARS OF EVIDENCE OF THAT....
Nor Have I ever seen you answer a direct question that either I or anyone who disagrees with you has ever asked you. ( Even though documented years ago involving a questionable website and funds!!!!) Even tho it addressed your very legal medical license and was documented too, and was addressed PRIVATELY. Even that never even got an answer from you!!!!! How sad is that???
I'm about to wipe my feet with you Dr. DO YOU HAVE A CONSCIENCE? PLEASE give me a reason to reconsider. IT's BEEN YEARS....
~ Cindy
P.S. respectfully, for anything specific regarding Glenn Dryden please go to the designated/protected thread as the admins require... Few though they be...
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