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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Alex L. Walker on March 09, 2013, 12:55:30 PM
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And that, Mr. Walker, is the issue... you ran at the mouth and repeatedly seek sympathy...none here, old boy!!! You have been adequately compensated and now express a disdain for 3ABN issues, claiming that we should now focus on Dryden...why???
Are you claiming to be a victim here as well??? Nay, simply hostility for a man that speaks his mind...clearly a disdainful rule in your world!!! And you now allege the failure of your old church was the fault of Dryden...a remarkable prejudice built on a lack of reality given your own claim of being a victim and nearly two dozen more that we have identified, not including Dun Loring!!!
Do you really expect us to believe that the underlying issues in those churches had nothing to do with the outrageous actions of Tommy Ray Shelton and the cover-up by Danny Lee Shelton??? And in fact Pastor Dryden is completely culpable? Has Dryden done ANYTHING that even closely resembles the inappropriate actions of Danny Lee Shelton and Tommy Ray Shelton??? Has he dumped his wife and remarried? Has he had inappropriate relationships with other women or men?
So, get on with specific allegations that can be clarified or move on as we continue to focus on 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton!!! That is a problem that is still unresolved and requires redress!!!
Nearly two weeks later we still await your specific answers!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Gailon: we have given the facts. I have repeatedly asked you a simple question and you refuse to answer. YOU can run at the mouth all you want but YOU will not shut me up. Sorry. Until your a victim and been through what we have, I'd advise you to keep your mouth shut about things you have no idea about.
Gailon: Perhaps you missed my post dated February 23rd. Where I did point out my issues. I also asked you a direct question, which you failed to answer......Care to try again??
Here I will refresh you:
My post dated on February 23, 2013:
Re: 3ABN settles with Alex Walker over Tommy Shelton's pedophilia
« Reply #85 on: February 23, 2013, 02:46:12 PM »
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It may be meaningless to you Gailon, but it is not for us.
So Glenn Filed a complaint before or after signing Tommy's ordination license? He wasted no time sending letters out to fellow pastors about Tommy. Yet he signed his name to Tommy's certificate as long as 5 years after the first letter went out!!.So he sends letters out to churches and pastors telling them about Tommy then 5 years later he signs Tommy's certificate, and you're ok with that? lol. Well I AM NOT.
So was this supposed complaint before or after he signed Tommy's certificate? I'm willing to wager it was before.
I mean the simple fact that a majority of Tommy's victims have threw Glenn under the bus and want no part of him should tell you something! He thinks he's a hero.....huh? Well, most of us disagree.
So let me ask you Gailon. Do you think Glenn Dryden was right for signing that certificate in 2001? Do you believe we do not have the right to be outraged? Some of us trusted Glenn Dryden then to find out he did that are we to just ignore it and keep our mouth shut?[/b][/i]
I mean, how could anyone say they agree it was right? Here is a man who was on Tommy's trail as early as 96 if not before. Then he himself in 2001 signs a certificate allowing him to continue to preach and do harm?
Then Glenn Dryden comes on "ADVENTTALK" and posted what he did on here. But, we shouldn't discuss him?
Have we forgotten what Glenn wrote? I will use quotes and address each one:
"It appears a purported victim, who by his admission was an adult when trysts took place, is attempting to deflect criticism for his lack of action – again, lack of action by his admission. Indeed, a competent adult, had he gone to authorities, it reasonably may be presumed that a number of adolescent victims would have been spared the anguish they have endured."
Now what is he saying here? He is talking about Duane. Basically blaming Duane for the abuse of other victims. Insinuating that there was this "love affair" between Duane and Tommy. Totally ignoring the fact that Duane was a victim himself. Tottaly ridiculous. Is this acceptable? I mean it's a good statment if you're a defense attorney or Greg Simpson. However, Glenn is not a defense attorney.
Next quote:
"With respect to the Ministerial Council of the Church of God, Inc., the hearts of the ministers who make up this Ministerial Council are grieved as a consequence of the suffering each victim has endured and continues to endure. As to Pastor Tommy Shelton’s relationship with this organization, I trust the foregoing expression of sentiment is not soured when I say we too were groomed, deceived and taken advantage of. In the time leading up to his ordination by our organization, Pastor Shelton was not forthright with those in the Ministerial Council's leadership. Regarding his past, he was manipulative and misleading. By giving the impression he had been mistreated by some in Illinois, he was able to play upon the sympathy he generated toward himself. It appears he did not withhold information that accusations of some kind had been brought against him in Illinois. He pronounced, however, upon the fact that these allegations were reviewed by law enforcement and not pursued. The impression left was that the allegations were motivated by jealousy and were unfounded."
What is he saying here? He's basically saying that he and the other members of the counsel was victims of Tommy, right? Well let me get this straight, aren't these GROWN men? In his previous quote he basically says that there is no way Duane could be a victim, he actually puts the Blame of Tommy on Duane. So using Glenn's logic how could he and the other members be a victim?
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" I was serving as secretary-treasurer of the Ministerial Council when Tommy Shelton mailed me his 2001 minister's card in March of 2001. A responsibility of the secretary-treasurer of our Ministerial Council is to periodically issue each minister a "Minister's Card" which states the minister is "in good standing with the Ministerial Council of the Church of God." That is to say the minister is in good standing with the ministers of the organization. Pastor Tommy Shelton had been in good standing with the ministers of the organization as of late fall of 2000 when the 2001 Minister’s Card was mailed to him."
Here he acknowledges he did in fact send out that card. He attempts to make excuses as to why he signed it. So what is he saying? Basically that because Tommy was in good standing with the other ministers he had to sign it? Excuse me why I die laughing. That's ridiculous. Gailon, people, this was 5 years after the 96 letter to Pastor Byron Wood telling them they should not hire Tommy as pastor due to sexual relationships with boys. But here in 2001 he signs it because he's in "good standing"? Well, I for one would never had signed that knowing the allegations of sexual misconduct in the past. It's not the fact Glenn didn't believe the allegations was true, because he did! Yet, he still signs it allowing Tommy to continue Pastoring. Yet, I am to be OK with this? Dennis is to be ok with this? Duane is to be ok with this? Duane is to be ok with Glenn blaming him for further cases of molestation???
I know Glenn as does Duane. I know what type of person he is. He is not what he seems. This is evidence. If anyone is OK with this I would like to know who?
But Let's continue:
This was Duane Clem's reply to Dryden's post on Adventtalk.
Re: Glenn Dryden will you resign as pastor of the Community Church of God?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2012, 07:18:33 AM »
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There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Not only is he not sorry for his attack on me, he has now repeated it. What a great man of God.
So, you're telling us that Tommy Shelton was in good standing with the Ministerial Committee as of 2001. Is that correct? Could you please explain, then, why you resurrected the allegations in the late 1990s while pastor of Ezra Church of God, even going so far as to issue a letter of apology to the Church of God general offices in Illinois for past actions by the church and some of its members? I do have witnesses who will corroborate what I am saying. You've been caught in a lie, and you're attempting to cover it with another lie. You've started something that you can't control. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
By the way, your attack on me is being publicized.
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Duane is asking a reasonable question here. Why was Dryden issuing letter of appology to other churches in the 90s? Why 10 years later he did he sign his name?? This question needs to be answered.
Then you have Bob's reply to Dryden's comments. Bob, understands our point.
Re: Glenn Dryden will you resign as pastor of the Community Church of God?
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Pastor Glenn,
In hindsight, would it not have been better to inform the ministerial council that you could not in good conscience sign Tommy's 2001 ministerial credentials? Then, if they still wanted to issue them, someone else could have signed that card.
Was the letter of apology Duane refers to an effort on your part outside of the ministerial council to deal with the allegations against Tommy? If so, then signing that card comes across differently to me, since you then would not have been ignoring the allegations. Still, in hindsight, I think it would have been wiser not to sign that card.
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See? Bob sees the point. People, this was not a simple mistake.
So please Gailon.....Tell me what part should I not discuss about him? He's innocent? So let me ask you again, you're OK with all this? If so......WOW.
Oh, by the way, how come Pastor Arnold Edmondson who was a defender of Tommy and also served as a member of the Ministerial Counsel Glenn mentions.....How come he can appologize to the victims for being wrong, but Glenn can't? Afraid he may be sued? Well, so could have Edmondson and the other members, but he has asked for repentance. Guess what? We have forgiven him. Why can't Glenn be man enough to appologize???
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And that is the entire case? That is your best shot? He gave notice of claims, the victims fail to make the allegations stick, Tommy is rehired by your church family for a second shot, he gets fired again, works for 3ABN and is forced off campus, ends up at Dun Loring COG, is re-instated by the COG and replaces the Pastor that goes to Africa, brings in your brother with the help of 3ABN, does a local TV Ministry on cable with the help of 3ABN, creates a pile of new victims, including yourself, thanks to your brother, gets caught when your brother and Tommy's wife and daughter do an intervention, goes to an institution for rehab, comes back and gives up his position, moves back to Kentucky, gets a job with 3ABN in violation of a prior board decision in the video library, creates more victims (including you again), takes over Linda's position at 3ABN as programming director, Glenn Dryden's letter crosses my desk and Bob comes back from ASI with BIG questions, we open an investigation based on the Dryden Letter, you deny being a victim before admitting you were a victim, two victims file criminal complaints in Va, your's is tossed, you file a civil suit, your brother and Danny Lee Shelton orchestrate a video campaign that includes your mother to undermine your claims, the battle proceeds and evidence mounts against your brother and Danny Lee Shelton, they settle to get rid of you...and you are bent out of shape because Dryden Signed Tommy's ministerial when he had no good legal basis for not doing so as part of his job???
I am much more interested in your Brother's role from day one to today and who was paying him while in Dun Loring? Has he apologized? Has Tommy apologized? Has Danny Lee Shelton apologized? HAS YOUR MOTHER APOLOGIZED???
Now that is a STORY!!! Dryden's great signature sin is a minor key in a major symphony full of DRAMA...including misplaced hatred by the VICTIMS!!!
And then to top it all off, you make an allegation that both churches are failures because of Dryden? I would like to see YOU try and turn that BLOODY MESS around!!! Best of luck and may your misplaced HATRED find a real perpetrator!!!
Like I said, it is amazing what a lot of money will "cure" while the real story is yet to be told!!! But, thanks for the opportunity to outline the REAL STORY and may you properly direct your "hatred" to perpetrators, such as your brother!!! Brad is a story waiting for
a masterful novel and is stranger than fiction!!!
Have you heard the old adage...you can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but NEVER ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME...I am not fooled and ready, willing and able to tell most of the story ANYTIME...and I intend to get ALL the story, in time, with or without YOU!!!
Just be very careful not to become the story!!! Believe me, there is plenty of opportunity in that fertile ground!!!
My advise is to move on and enjoy the fruits you have been able to pick and leave Dryden alone...remember Danny's favorite saying: be careful when you push the stone...it may role back on top of YOU!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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First of all Gailon.....I was NEVER a member of Ezra. So please stop saying that. It's not true, it's a lie.
Gailon I see your point as far as my mother and my brother. I am pleased to say while no, my mother has not apologized she and I have a decent relationship. As far as my brother....we simply do not speak.
Misplaced hatred? I think Duane has said it and so will I....YOU, GAILON JOY do not know Glenn Dryden. Stop pretending that you do.
Hey, do you not read??? I think it has been said there was a pastor between Tommy and Dryden and Ezra was thriving!!!!! The same is true for the CCOG. They didn't start to die until Dryden arrived. Get your facts straight. Both Churches had pastors between Tommy and Dryden.....and they was doing fine until he arrived! Facts are facts Gailon.
Gailon, you keep saying "money" bought me off.....No....justice has been won and that's the end of it. I refuse to concern myself with 3ABN issues.
I will not leave Dryden alone.... I've just begun. :)
By the way, I refuse to end the story. All these threats about lawsuits and such......BRING IT ON!
If I gave up every time that I have been threatened since this begun......well there would be no story. I gave up everything to fight this, family included. So threats do not scare me at all.
And you're going to criticize me for no longer wanting to be concerned with 3ABN issues? When I gave up OVER 2 years of my life and time to fight this??? Are you serious, Gailon?
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First of all Gailon.....I was NEVER a member of Ezra. So please stop saying that. It's not true, it's a lie.
I said you were a "member". However, since you were not, what is the basis for your authority ?
Gailon I see your point as far as my mother and my brother. I am pleased to say while no, my mother has not apologized she and I have a decent relationship. As far as my brother....we simply do not speak.
Misplaced hatred? I think Duane has said it and so will I....YOU, GAILON JOY do not know Glenn Dryden. Stop pretending that you do.
Hey, do you not read??? I think it has been said there was a pastor between Tommy and Dryden and Ezra was thriving!!!!! The same is true for the CCOG. They didn't start to die until Dryden arrived. Get your facts straight. Both Churches had pastors between Tommy and Dryden.....and they was doing fine until he arrived! Facts are facts Gailon.
I would like evidence that EZRA was thriving...that is nit the report I had from the Clerk Secretary and other members...simply put, I do not believe your assessment is accurate!!!
Gailon, you keep saying "money" bought me off.....No....justice has been won and that's the end of it. I refuse to concern myself with 3ABN issues.
I will not leave Dryden alone.... I've just begun. :)
By the way, I refuse to end the story. All these threats about lawsuits and such......BRING IT ON!
If I gave up every time that I have been threatened since this begun......well there would be no story. I gave up everything to fight this, family included. So threats do not scare me at all.
And you're going to criticize me for no longer wanting to be concerned with 3ABN issues? When I gave up OVER 2 years of my life and time to fight this??? Are you serious, Gailon?
Oh-h-h-h-h!!! Poor You....JUST 2 YEARS????Linda has not had justice in nearly 9 years!!!
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ONE OTHER IMPORTANT THING...I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD GLADLY GIVE UP A MEASELY 2 YEARS FOR LOW SEVEN FIGURE SETTLEMENTS!!!!
Nurtured properly, you should live comfortably for the remainder of your life!!! I have worked with hundreds over the years you suffered far more for FAR LESS!!! Including some of your very brethren and victims of TRS ...and what have you done for them???
MAKE IT COUNT, ALEX...MAKE IT COUNT!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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First of all Gailon.....I was NEVER a member of Ezra. So please stop saying that. It's not true, it's a lie.
Not only that, TS was never fired from Ezra, either. Gailon really needs to get off this subject. Every post proves he knows very little about this situation.
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ONE OTHER IMPORTANT THING...I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD GLADLY GIVE UP A MEASELY 2 YEARS FOR LOW SEVEN FIGURE SETTLEMENTS!!!!
And some of us would like to make our own decision about whether or not to pursue a civil case and not be harrassed about our "inaction" repeatedly.
Nurtured properly, you should live comfortably for the remainder of your life!!! I have worked with hundreds over the years you suffered far more for FAR LESS!!! Including some of your very brethren and victims of TRS ...and what have you done for them???
MAKE IT COUNT, ALEX...MAKE IT COUNT!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
If this means what I think it means, that's really tacky.
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Gailon said this:
Oh-h-h-h-h!!! Poor You....JUST 2 YEARS????Linda has not had justice in nearly 9 years!!!
Are you kidding me Gailon? That statement alone shows me you have no heart. Was Linda molested? No.....was you? No. So like I said....you make yourself look stupid. Just shut up.
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ONE OTHER IMPORTANT THING...I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD GLADLY GIVE UP A MEASELY 2 YEARS FOR LOW SEVEN FIGURE SETTLEMENTS!!!!
And some of us would like to make our own decision about whether or not to pursue a civil case and not be harrassed about our "inaction" repeatedly.
Nurtured properly, you should live comfortably for the remainder of your life!!! I have worked with hundreds over the years you suffered far more for FAR LESS!!! Including some of your very brethren and victims of TRS ...and what have you done for them???
MAKE IT COUNT, ALEX...MAKE IT COUNT!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
If this means what I think it means, that's really tacky.
Yes, it is tacky and it's absurd. The simple fact that Gailon has not communicated with some of the victims and I talk to them on a regular basis. This shows me he has no idea what he's talking about. He talked to some .....what... four or five years ago by phone? And I know a couple that he has NEVER communicated with.
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First of all Gailon.....I was NEVER a member of Ezra. So please stop saying that. It's not true, it's a lie.
I said you were a "member". However, since you were not, what is the basis for your authority ?
Gailon I see your point as far as my mother and my brother. I am pleased to say while no, my mother has not apologized she and I have a decent relationship. As far as my brother....we simply do not speak.
Misplaced hatred? I think Duane has said it and so will I....YOU, GAILON JOY do not know Glenn Dryden. Stop pretending that you do.
Hey, do you not read??? I think it has been said there was a pastor between Tommy and Dryden and Ezra was thriving!!!!! The same is true for the CCOG. They didn't start to die until Dryden arrived. Get your facts straight. Both Churches had pastors between Tommy and Dryden.....and they was doing fine until he arrived! Facts are facts Gailon.
I would like evidence that EZRA was thriving...that is nit the report I had from the Clerk Secretary and other members...simply put, I do not believe your assessment is accurate!!!
Gailon, you keep saying "money" bought me off.....No....justice has been won and that's the end of it. I refuse to concern myself with 3ABN issues.
I will not leave Dryden alone.... I've just begun. :)
By the way, I refuse to end the story. All these threats about lawsuits and such......BRING IT ON!
If I gave up every time that I have been threatened since this begun......well there would be no story. I gave up everything to fight this, family included. So threats do not scare me at all.
And you're going to criticize me for no longer wanting to be concerned with 3ABN issues? When I gave up OVER 2 years of my life and time to fight this??? Are you serious, Gailon?
Oh-h-h-h-h!!! Poor You....JUST 2 YEARS????Linda has not had justice in nearly 9 years!!!
Well, my assessment as far as the churches is absolutely correct. I have been to both churches BEFORE AND DURING DRYDENS pastorship. Why don't you call the churches yourself and ask them what their attendance was during the pastors between Tommy and Dryden? You will find out what we are saying is the truth!
Dryden has killed those two churches. Plain and simple.
Ed Beck pastored the CCOG after Tommy and Before Glenn. The church was not suffering like it is today.
The same is true with Ezra....Arnold Edmondson pastored after Tommy and before Dryden. The church and church school was thriving.....again before Glenn arrived. Dryden left that church at the point of closure. The school went from over 100 children attending to less than 20 under Dryden.
Do your own research, and TRUST ME.......You will see what I'm saying is TRUE!
You said it's not the report from the church clerk and other members? LOL! Then what members and church clerk did you talk to? Because I have talked to them too, and everything I have said has been correct.
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First of all Gailon.....I was NEVER a member of Ezra. So please stop saying that. It's not true, it's a lie.
Not only that, TS was never fired from Ezra, either. Gailon really needs to get off this subject. Every post proves he knows very little about this situation.
Gailon does not know ANYTHING about the situation, obviously. His "facts" or made up assumptions are plain wrong. Like you said, his post prove that.
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Was Linda molested? No.....
I think the above can give the wrong idea. What exactly happened I'm not sure, but I do have some strange emails between, if I recall correctly, Danny and Johann that raises questions as to the conduct of a certain individual who is not Norwegian.
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I wish someone would explain what exactly the outrage over Dryden is about. Obviously, at least a couple of people hate him quite intensely but no one has said why, or at least the explanations don't warrant the level of anger expressed, so I'm guessing there must be something more... ???
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I wish someone would explain what exactly the outrage over Dryden is about. Obviously, at least a couple of people hate him quite intensely but no one has said why, or at least the explanations don't warrant the level of anger expressed, so I'm guessing there must be something more... ???
It would take me half a day to tell everything this man has put myself and others, as well as the Ezra Church of God through. The events mentioned here are just the final straws.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...Until you have met Dryden, you know nothing about the man. Gailon has never met him and neither has Bob. Just like Gailon has NEVER met any of the victims but wants to act as though he is the "spokesman". (Referencing his previous post.) Now, I can't say Bob hasn't, because I know he has met at least one.
Gailon points out that Dryden is not as bad as Tommy. Well in some aspects he's just like Tommy if not even better at deceiving people. He has you all deceived.
A few years ago, the former Mayor of West Frankfort, Jack Woolard, was running for State Rep. in Illinois against now Senator Gary Forby. In one of Forby's campaign commercials a dog was chasing a sheep... it said "don't let Woolard pull the wool over your eyes."
I bring that up to say this. Some of you....not all (Because I have received a few calls lately from folks who get it and agree with us) have the WOOL pulled over your eyes by Dryden. Just like many had the wool pulled over theirs about Tommy.
Now, let's ask this.....are you going to seriously make excuses and downplay Dryden's involvement a man you have never met, or take our word for it? People who actually know Dryden ALL TO WELL.
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Gailon said this in one of his previous post:
I said you were a "member". However, since you were not, what is the basis for your authority ?
My involvement begun when Dryden arrived at Ezra. I was attending the Ezra Christian School. I will not go into detail over the HELL I went through because of this man. After several years, It came to the point where my parents thought it best to pull me out of there and move me to public school. The best decision they ever made. I succeeded at West Frankfort Community High and was NEVER in trouble.
But, it didn't end there. I know people personally such as Duane....who has had to live in hell because of what this man has put them through and put ME through!
Yes,Murcielago, you are absolutely correct. There is more to it. Like Duane said this was the tip of the iceberg.
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Gailon points out that Dryden is not as bad as Tommy. Well in some aspects he's just like Tommy if not even better at deceiving people. He has you all deceived.
On what point has Dryden deceived anyone that can be lumped in with "you all"? My communications with him have mostly concerned Tommy, and mostly about the child molestation allegations about Tommy. I do recall my asking Dryden about when Dryden was in Virginia and when he was in Illinois. Now if Dryden lied to me about when he was living where, or if Dryden lied to me about Tommy being accused of molesting children, then I could see a basis for the allegation that Dryden has deceived us. Otherwise, I don't see a basis for it.
It isn't a deception to say that Dryden's 2003 letter to Walt Thompson about Tommy is what got Gailon to investigate Danny and 3ABN.
Now, let's ask this.....are you going to seriously make excuses and downplay Dryden's involvement a man you have never met, or take our word for it?
I haven't seen anyone downplaying Dryden's involvement. The fact remains that Dryden's 2003 letter played a vital role in the saga that has unfolded since 2006. My friend tried contacting the Dunn Loring CCoG in August 2006 and got Dryden. Dryden then told my friend about the letter and sent a copy of the letter that was to be shared only with church leaders.
From what I recall, Walt Thompson was clearly perturbed that we had gotten that letter, and he speculated that a certain board member had told us about the matter, a board member he did not identify. Gailon referred to that comment as part of Walt's psychotic witch hunt.
I will not go into detail over the HELL I went through because of this man.
And that's the problem I see. Many of our readers have trouble understanding what Dryden has done that rises to the level of Tommy's child molestation, and whatever it was, it's kept secret and undocumented. That has nothing to do with Dryden pulling the wool over anyone's eyes. That has to do with a choice not to disclose whatever horrific deeds Dryden allegedly did.
Note that I never said he never did such deeds. I've simply pointed out that they haven't been disclosed and haven't been documented. Mostly all we (we the public) have are vague assertions, with a few undocumented specifics.
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It isn't a deception to say that Dryden's 2003 letter to Walt Thompson about Tommy is what got Gailon to investigate Danny and 3ABN.
What so many are choosing to ignore is this: Dryden had no business sending out the letter to Walt Thompson or any of the other letters he admits sending. His responsibility when learning of the allegations was to notify the authorities and then shut up. Instead, he dug and dug because he has a sick obsession with the details. Then, when confronted with the fact that he overstepped, he decides he'll just keep quiet now.
Sorry, too late for that now. He wanted recognition, and I'm going to see that he gets it.
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It isn't a deception to say that Dryden's 2003 letter to Walt Thompson about Tommy is what got Gailon to investigate Danny and 3ABN.
What so many are choosing to ignore is this: Dryden had no business sending out the letter to Walt Thompson or any of the other letters he admits sending. His responsibility when learning of the allegations was to notify the authorities and then shut up. Instead, he dug and dug because he has a sick obsession with the details. Then, when confronted with the fact that he overstepped, he decides he'll just keep quiet now.
Sorry, too late for that now. He wanted recognition, and I'm going to see that he gets it.
Duane is absolutely right. It was NOT his place to communicate with you, Bob and Gailon. He was out of line. Are you two authorities? No. Now, if a victim wanted to confide in you that is different. Dryden had one responsibility and that was to report it to the police. He failed. Instead he gives it to you two to broadcast.
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It isn't a deception to say that Dryden's 2003 letter to Walt Thompson about Tommy is what got Gailon to investigate Danny and 3ABN.
What so many are choosing to ignore is this: Dryden had no business sending out the letter to Walt Thompson or any of the other letters he admits sending. His responsibility when learning of the allegations was to notify the authorities and then shut up. Instead, he dug and dug because he has a sick obsession with the details. Then, when confronted with the fact that he overstepped, he decides he'll just keep quiet now.
Sorry, too late for that now. He wanted recognition, and I'm going to see that he gets it.
Duane is absolutely right. It was NOT his place to communicate with you, Bob and Gailon. He was out of line. Are you two authorities? No. Now, if a victim wanted to confide in you that is different. Dryden had one responsibility and that was to report it to the police. He failed. Instead he gives it to you two to broadcast.
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My guess is that Tommy would still be working at 3ABN and doing music with kids, and the criminal case in VA, and the civil case in IL would not have occurred had Dryden not sent that letter to Gailon.
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My guess is that Tommy would still be working at 3ABN and doing music with kids, and the criminal case in VA, and the civil case in IL would not have occurred had Dryden not sent that letter to Gailon.
The fact remains that it was not within his rights to do so.
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You are correct, lots of hyperbole and little to NO FACTS!!! But, it is clear the HATRED RUNS DEEP...I would dare say deeper than for the chief perpetrator himself!!! GO FIGURE!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I wish someone would explain what exactly the outrage over Dryden is about. Obviously, at least a couple of people hate him quite intensely but no one has said why, or at least the explanations don't warrant the level of anger expressed, so I'm guessing there must be something more... ???
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Duane is absolutely right. It was NOT his place to communicate with you, Bob and Gailon. He was out of line. Are you two authorities? No. Now, if a victim wanted to confide in you that is different. Dryden had one responsibility and that was to report it to the police. He failed. Instead he gives it to you two to broadcast.
It was within Dryden's rights to inform Seventh-day Adventists that there was a pedophile working at 3ABN, so that Seventh-day Adventists could protect themselves and their church.
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Bob who made you and Gailon the authority or go to people of the seventh Day Adventist? My point is he should not have went to you and Gailon. How hard is that to understand?
Btw, Gailon and Bob....I have better things to do with my time unlike you then spend years worrying about 3ABN or The Sheltons.
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So Gailon? You going to talk to the church members that I have spoken to? Need their numbers? They will tell you who killed CCOG and Ezra. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't Tommy.
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Duane is absolutely right. It was NOT his place to communicate with you, Bob and Gailon. He was out of line. Are you two authorities? No. Now, if a victim wanted to confide in you that is different. Dryden had one responsibility and that was to report it to the police. He failed. Instead he gives it to you two to broadcast.
It was within Dryden's rights to inform Seventh-day Adventists that there was a pedophile working at 3ABN, so that Seventh-day Adventists could protect themselves and their church.
It was not within his rights to dig for past victims and expose them to the public.
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My point is he should not have went to you and Gailon.
He didn't. What happened was that by August 2006 folks were posting stuff on BlackSDA about the CCoG and the allegations against Tommy. Someone posted a link to a contact page for the Churches of God. On August 13 I had a friend on the phone and I was looking at that contact page. I told my friend, "Why don't you call the church and ask them if these allegations against Tommy are true?" He did, and ended up talking to Dryden who told him about the letter he had sent Walt Thompson in 2003.
That letter was not something that the posters on BlackSDA had said anything about. I don't believe that any of them knew anything about it.
The letter itself said nothing about any names. One name I do know that Dryden mentioned to me, maybe later, was Roger, but his name was already public by his own choosing, according to my understanding.
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My point is he should not have went to you and Gailon.
He didn't. What happened was that by August 2006 folks were posting stuff on BlackSDA about the CCoG and the allegations against Tommy. Someone posted a link to a contact page for the Churches of God. On August 13 I had a friend on the phone and I was looking at that contact page. I told my friend, "Why don't you call the church and ask them if these allegations against Tommy are true?" He did, and ended up talking to Dryden who told him about the letter he had sent Walt Thompson in 2003.
That letter was not something that the posters on BlackSDA had said anything about. I don't believe that any of them knew anything about it.
So what were the posts based on and where did this so called info come from, Bob? Did you ask? Will you provide or reveal that info if you did ask, or will you admit you didn't ask for proof before proceeding to indict???
Honesty is the best policy and the truth has nothing to fear as it will set you free, right???
The letter itself said nothing about any names. One name I do know that Dryden mentioned to me, maybe later, was Roger, but his name was already public by his own choosing, according to my understanding.
Roger, and his unproven and undocumented claims ( what are they Bob? None have ever really been told) Those claims were already public before you made them so? and already public? I joined Blacksda according to your personal invitation while we were both members of a Adventist prophecy group on Yahoo,at that time but I recall nothing documenting this. I do remember reading a letter from Dryden to you about this later on, but I don't recall any mention before that. Do you have any proof of it being public by Roger's own choosing, or why you would have this understanding???? I know you have copies of all the Blacksda forum posts on your server along with all these posts as I also have copies, so do tell?
I DON"T BELIEVE YOU, and have no reason to, as of now, without proof...
I do require proof for claims. As should we all.
Submit what you have please, for me and others. It's required.
By myself, and more importantly by God. "Prove all things" and "be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"
~ Cindy
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Roger, and his unproven and undocumented claims ( what are they Bob? None have ever really been told)
Believe me, those claims have been proven true, just not publicly. The details of those allegations will not be made public, nor with the proof. You'll just have to accept that.
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So what were the posts based on and where did this so called info come from, Bob?
Don't know. If I had to guess, I'd say that the allegation that Tommy's pedophilia was well known among 3ABN-ites is true, and that someone in the know told others. Some of the BlackSDA posters were former employees.
Did you ask?
I don't think that was necessary since my friend called up the CCoG and ended up talking with Dryden. So regardless of where the BlackSDA posters got the info from, my friend got it directly from Dryden on August 13 or 14, 2006.
Will you provide or reveal that info if you did ask, or will you admit you didn't ask for proof before proceeding to indict???
The "indictment" of Danny for covering the child molestation allegations up didn't happen until after Thanksgiving 2006, after Walt Thompson revealed information about that cover up, and after Danny refused to explain the discrepancies.
Roger, and his unproven and undocumented claims ( what are they Bob? None have ever really been told) Those claims were already public before you made them so? and already public? I joined Blacksda according to your personal invitation while we were both members of a Adventist prophecy group on Yahoo,at that time but I recall nothing documenting this. I do remember reading a letter from Dryden to you about this later on, but I don't recall any mention before that. Do you have any proof of it being public by Roger's own choosing, or why you would have this understanding???? I know you have copies of all the Blacksda forum posts on your server along with all these posts as I also have copies, so do tell?
I don't understand what problem you see. Roger went public in his community. I never said he went public on BlackSDA.
As far as the public allegations of Roger go, he alleged that Tommy Shelton had sexually abused him, and that the allegations against Tommy were true.
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Roger, and his unproven and undocumented claims ( what are they Bob? None have ever really been told)
Believe me, those claims have been proven true, just not publicly. The details of those allegations will not be made public, nor with the proof. You'll just have to accept that.
Think she will?
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Think she will?
No
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Roger, and his unproven and undocumented claims ( what are they Bob? None have ever really been told)
Believe me, those claims have been proven true, just not publicly. The details of those allegations will not be made public, nor with the proof. You'll just have to accept that.
I can accept that you say that the claims have not been proven true publicly by your brother or any other, and that the details of the allegations will not be made public by your brother , or apparently any other, nor has a report or charges ever been made, nor will the proof ever be offered publicly, but can you accept that I was posting that exact same thing to Bob Pickle?
Can you accept that without details or proof that I, at the least, cannot just accept your word that it's proven true? MUCH LESS BOB PICKLES WORD, especially when Pickle is claiming Roger went "public" "in his community" and you, Roger's brother seem to be saying the very opposite.
Also you seem to understand Dryden's wrong spirit and actions and Pickle can't see, and even endorses and defends in Dryden all that he accuses and condemns and finds fault with 3ABN for. I'm not saying here in this specific post who's right or who's wrong. I'm just saying here, in regards to that issue that this is double minded on Bob Pickle's part and that's just not right, imo. Can you accept and acknowledge that, Duane?
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Bob who made you and Gailon the authority or go to people of the seventh Day Adventist? My point is he should not have went to you and Gailon. How hard is that to understand?
It's not hard to understand. Dryden should have reported it to the authorities first, and then maybe those employing Tommy and left it to them to investigate just as Tommy's church ( the church of God) and the authorities ( in his hometown) had earlier investigated, since he apparently disagreed with their findings and thought he had something new...
Pickle and Joy had nothing to do with either. We (SDA'S) are supposed to be spreading the good news and the 3 angel's messages not being unequally yolked or walking with the Dryden's of the world.
"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"
It's a shame as far as I am concerned, that both Pickle and Joy (and Company) do not understand what this means...
Lev 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: [but] in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
Lev 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down [as] a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I [am] the LORD.
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
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Roger, and his unproven and undocumented claims ( what are they Bob? None have ever really been told)
Believe me, those claims have been proven true, just not publicly. The details of those allegations will not be made public, nor with the proof. You'll just have to accept that.
Think she will?
How off topic and point...
Roger's brother said:
The claims have not been proven true publicly, the details will not be made public, nor will the proof.
Yet you claim:
"Roger went public in his community".
and "As far as the public allegations of Roger go, he alleged that Tommy Shelton had sexually abused him, and that the allegations against Tommy were true."
Go ahead and play ignorant, and wiggle as you do:
I don't understand what problem you see. Roger went public in his community.
but this makes no sense, nor is it logical when his brother says No, that didn't happen and the community, at least all I have talked to, are clueless...
I will continue to ask questions, especially when you continue to say such insane things as this:
"The "indictment" of Danny for covering the child molestation allegations up didn't happen until after Thanksgiving 2006, after Walt Thompson revealed information about that cover up, and after Danny refused to explain the discrepancies."
YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED ON THIS FALSE REPORT SO MANY TIMES...
We've all read the letters... nothing was a cover up, those are your words, words you put in the mouths of others. Also DS answered you until it became futile as you accepted nothing and you had both been asked to stop communicating as an outside party was trying to resolve all, and he told you that.
Your problem was you couldn't accept that...
I can quote it all, straight from your own files.(and will) so go ahead and argue, Bob, imho it just makes you look silly and so un in touch with reality and so... deceptive.
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It's not hard to understand. Dryden should have reported it to the authorities first, and then maybe those employing Tommy and left it to them to investigate just as Tommy's church ( the church of God) and the authorities ( in his hometown) had earlier investigated, since he apparently disagreed with their findings and thought he had something new...
~ Cindy, the "authorities" who investigated it all in the mid-1980's believed that the allegations against Tommy were true. I can't help it if you have been fed info to the contrary.
Now if you want to produce here the letter that Walt Thompson claims he has, had, or saw that backs up your mere assertion, I would be interested in seeing it.
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Your response below is incoherent. Without explanation you equate going public with child molestation allegations with a) proving child molestation allegations and b) giving the details behind child molestation allegations.
Sure, quote it all. But you can't, because the facts remain that Walt Thompson gave information around Thanksgiving 2006 that made it clear that Danny had lied to cover up the child molestation allegations against Tommy, and Danny refused to explain the discrepancies even though I was writing him at the request of Walt Thompson, the 3ABN Board chairman.
If I was incorrect on this point, Danny and 3ABN would have explicitly put the matter into their lawsuit against me, since this point is so damaging. But they never did.
Roger, and his unproven and undocumented claims ( what are they Bob? None have ever really been told)
Believe me, those claims have been proven true, just not publicly. The details of those allegations will not be made public, nor with the proof. You'll just have to accept that.
Think she will?
How off topic and point...
Roger's brother said:
The claims have not been proven true publicly, the details will not be made public, nor will the proof.
Yet you claim:
"Roger went public in his community".
and "As far as the public allegations of Roger go, he alleged that Tommy Shelton had sexually abused him, and that the allegations against Tommy were true."
Go ahead and play ignorant, and wiggle as you do:
I don't understand what problem you see. Roger went public in his community.
but this makes no sense, nor is it logical when his brother says No, that didn't happen and the community, at least all I have talked to, are clueless...
I will continue to ask questions, especially when you continue to say such insane things as this:
"The "indictment" of Danny for covering the child molestation allegations up didn't happen until after Thanksgiving 2006, after Walt Thompson revealed information about that cover up, and after Danny refused to explain the discrepancies."
YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED ON THIS FALSE REPORT SO MANY TIMES...
We've all read the letters... nothing was a cover up, those are your words, words you put in the mouths of others. Also DS answered you until it became futile as you accepted nothing and you had both been asked to stop communicating as an outside party was trying to resolve all, and he told you that.
Your problem was you couldn't accept that...
I can quote it all, straight from your own files.(and will) so go ahead and argue, Bob, imho it just makes you look silly and so un in touch with reality and so... deceptive.
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Can you accept that without details or proof that I, at the least, cannot just accept your word that it's proven true?
What you fail to see is that I don't care whether you accept my word or not.