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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Gailon Arthur Joy on April 06, 2013, 06:28:23 PM
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This reporter is developing a story as I write regarding a major rift and the pullout of a Another MAJOR FINANCIAL SUPPORTER or 3ABN.
According to three sources the supporter reviewed financial planning documents and, after serious reconsideration, hired counsel to recover control of most assets in Trust and is in the process of leaving Thompsonville to an as yet undisclosed Mid-America location.
Rumor has it that he does not intend to return to his home state of Nebraska.
This contributor has been a long term supporter for more than twenty years and reportedly had contributed well into seven figures, including the bulk of what is purported to be a mid eight figure estate into the 3ABN Trust Department in various forms. Purportedly, the supporter hired an attorney as counsel to recover the entire estate. Anonymous sources report the sum will put a very substantial hole in the financial statement and require significant restatements, including reversals of some advances from Trust Services portfolios.
The supporter and his wife and other family members have also served as volunteers and in some staff positions. One progeny served for years as the notorious boom operator and has been the focal point of several campus sex scandals, but it has always been alleged that the Daddy's money kept the wayward prodigal from elimination on several occasions while the relationship partners were frequently forced to resign and leave the campus. This reporter is aware of two exceptions and both parties have played continuing rolls with 3ABN, despite the open and notorious misconduct. One former program personality described the campus as "Peyton Place".
Despite substantial support, this major contributor did not serve on the 3ABN Board, unlike several lesser contributors, albeit more prominent players in ASI. One former staffer summed up the conundrum as "apparently Danny did not trust him!!!".
This will bring renewed focus on the 3ABN 990's , most specifically the Trust Services advances and the asset base, which several analysts believe is substantially over-stated based on Real Estate values and advances on trusts. This could leave some annuitants and trust contributors inadequately protected. The state of Washington concluded that annuitants were not adequately protected and forced 3ABN to transfer all Washugton State annuitants to AIG, the notorious bailout insurer for the banking crisis. No other state has acted yet and it is a State by State oversight, not Federal.
We will continue to report on these developing stories in the weeks and months ahead...
More to come:
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Very interesting news!
Please give us updates.
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Yes, this is very interesting news.
Also looking forward to further updates.
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Artiste, Daryl, (and maybe others..)
This is what is interesting to you????
This is "Breaking news"? according to anonymous sources, or just according to Joy, AGAIN?
And again, without any questions or verification of proof, all I see is you bowing down to a mere man as your source of truth, and saying "Thank you"? Why?
Why, after so long, why are you still believing this junk without any question, except "tell me more?" Why do you not understand that we are to "prove all things"?
What sources?
Do they really exist? and if so, are they even credible? WHO? WHAT? WHERE?, WHEN? WHY? HOW?
We all know that our Creator commanded us to "not bear false witness", and that "all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
But I have to wonder, do you really think that believing a lie or a liar justifies that lie, or excuses you or another?
Do you understand that it isn't just the original liar who is damned, but it is also those who pass the lie on or bow down to it and love it for whatever reason who share in that damnation? NOT the ignorant, rather those who choose the lie before the truth, or choose to be willfully ignorant.
Rev 22:14 -15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without [are] dogs.. and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Why? because God reveals all truth, he tells us how to be ethical, moral, and discern and prove all things. He has sent the Holy spirit to convict and reveal all... All we have to do is ask.. because he's already promised us this, but it's up to us to say "yes..."
Here's a fact. Gailon Joy, claiming to be on a mission for God in all of this, has less ethics and morals when it comes to reporting than the reporters of the world, who are without God, do.
All you have to do is a bit of research to see him condemned by worldly standards. How much higher are God 's standards?
I'm just sayin.. time is short... Stand up!
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Cindy,
Although I am not a fan of Joys pompous style of "reporting", in this situation he is correct, these supporters have sought legal counsel to separate themselves and access to any or all of their assets from 3ABN. My source originated from within their family.
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What caused this family to become unhappy with 3ABN after years of support?
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Cindy,
Although I am not a fan of Joys pompous style of "reporting", in this situation he is correct, these supporters have sought legal counsel to separate themselves and access to any or all of their assets from 3ABN. My source originated from within their family.
That may or may not be true, Sister. You know who you are talking about, but for others who do not, there is not enough info to determine anything. Too many times over the years false stories have been accepted simply because of this type of reporting and someone speaking up like you did here. Those who accept and believe it say they have their two or three witnesses like the bible says and so it's all good.
What I am saying is that is NOT how we are to decide and judge what is true or what is not . God's word describes how those who judge are to make diligent inquiry to determine if a witness is to be believed, and if they are found to be false then the same sentence shall be carried out against them that was to be carried out against the one they accused. We are told that this is so that the people would see and be afraid and not commit this evil and sin anymore.
I was trying to say that when public accusations are made "make diligent inquiry, be accountable", don't just be like," oh that is so interesting, tell me more" like a gossip monger.
(IN FACT WE ARE REALLY NOT TO LISTEN TO GOSSIPS AND TALEBEARERS)
I mean look at this. It's sleezy journalism at it's worst:
" One progeny served for years as the notorious boom operator and has been the focal point of several campus sex scandals, but it has always been alleged that the Daddy's money kept the wayward prodigal from elimination on several occasions while the relationship partners were frequently forced to resign and leave the campus. This reporter is aware of two exceptions and both parties have played continuing rolls with 3ABN, despite the open and notorious misconduct. One former program personality described the campus as "Peyton Place".
It's also "gossip" and "libel" Joy and Pickle's so called "reporting" is imo nothing more than them "running up and down among the people being talebearers", something God specifically said not to do.
There are so many excuses and justifications for why Pickle and Joy do what they do, and say what they say,;or why others such as Artiste and Daryl encourage their behavior and actions and accept their claims without doing diligent inquiry, but as far as I am concerned there is no justification for disobeying God. Wrong is wrong.
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Wrong is wrong.
How true. Child molestation, adultery, fornication, deceit, and greed are all wrong and must be dealt with.
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Wrong is wrong.
How true. Child molestation, adultery, fornication, deceit, and greed are all wrong and must be dealt with.
True, but dealt with by the right people and in the right way. God's way.
You are not the right person. You are just a busybody, butting in and seeking to be personally glorified as God's agent while you very publicly, unmercifully and without understanding condemn those that you don't even know, and have no personal knowledge of. You have also done all in the wrong way, and actually disobeyed God's commands in doing that, Mr Talebearer. That reveals that you are NOT God's agent.
If we offend in even one point of the law we are guilty of all, right?
The Lord rebuke you.
If your sin was not so public, nor committed before all, I would not have to rebuke you before all, Bob...
Tell everyone how the following should be dealt with, please.
the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, ...changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man..Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts.. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections.. And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Artiste, Daryl, (and maybe others..)
This is what is interesting to you????
This is "Breaking news"? according to anonymous sources, or just according to Joy, AGAIN?
And again, without any questions or verification of proof, all I see is you bowing down to a mere man as your source of truth, and saying "Thank you"? Why?
Why, after so long, why are you still believing this junk without any question, except "tell me more?" Why do you not understand that we are to "prove all things"?
What sources?
Do they really exist? and if so, are they even credible? WHO? WHAT? WHERE?, WHEN? WHY? HOW?
We all know that our Creator commanded us to "not bear false witness", and that "all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
But I have to wonder, do you really think that believing a lie or a liar justifies that lie, or excuses you or another?
Do you understand that it isn't just the original liar who is damned, but it is also those who pass the lie on or bow down to it and love it for whatever reason who share in that damnation? NOT the ignorant, rather those who choose the lie before the truth, or choose to be willfully ignorant.
Rev 22:14 -15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without [are] dogs.. and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Why? because God reveals all truth, he tells us how to be ethical, moral, and discern and prove all things. He has sent the Holy spirit to convict and reveal all... All we have to do is ask.. because he's already promised us this, but it's up to us to say "yes..."
Here's a fact. Gailon Joy, claiming to be on a mission for God in all of this, has less ethics and morals when it comes to reporting than the reporters of the world, who are without God, do.
All you have to do is a bit of research to see him condemned by worldly standards. How much higher are God 's standards?
I'm just sayin.. time is short... Stand up!
D.S. talking points?
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Cindy,
Although I am not a fan of Joys pompous style of "reporting", in this situation he is correct, these supporters have sought legal counsel to separate themselves and access to any or all of their assets from 3ABN. My source originated from within their family.
That may or may not be true, Sister. You know who you are talking about, but for others who do not, there is not enough info to determine anything. Too many times over the years false stories have been accepted simply because of this type of reporting and someone speaking up like you did here. Those who accept and believe it say they have their two or three witnesses like the bible says and so it's all good.
What I am saying is that is NOT how we are to decide and judge what is true or what is not . God's word describes how those who judge are to make diligent inquiry to determine if a witness is to be believed, and if they are found to be false then the same sentence shall be carried out against them that was to be carried out against the one they accused. We are told that this is so that the people would see and be afraid and not commit this evil and sin anymore.
I was trying to say that when public accusations are made "make diligent inquiry, be accountable", don't just be like," oh that is so interesting, tell me more" like a gossip monger.
(IN FACT WE ARE REALLY NOT TO LISTEN TO GOSSIPS AND TALEBEARERS)
I mean look at this. It's sleezy journalism at it's worst:
" One progeny served for years as the notorious boom operator and has been the focal point of several campus sex scandals, but it has always been alleged that the Daddy's money kept the wayward prodigal from elimination on several occasions while the relationship partners were frequently forced to resign and leave the campus. This reporter is aware of two exceptions and both parties have played continuing rolls with 3ABN, despite the open and notorious misconduct. One former program personality described the campus as "Peyton Place".
It's also "gossip" and "libel" Joy and Pickle's so called "reporting" is imo nothing more than them "running up and down among the people being talebearers", something God specifically said not to do.
There are so many excuses and justifications for why Pickle and Joy do what they do, and say what they say,;or why others such as Artiste and Daryl encourage their behavior and actions and accept their claims without doing diligent inquiry, but as far as I am concerned there is no justification for disobeying God. Wrong is wrong.
Dear Tilda,
So many years now...... and virtually everything that Pickle and Joy have reported has come out as being accurate: The sweet book deals, the house deal, the pedophilia, the women, the court trials, the convictions, the private jet trips, the raiding of trust funds, the lies by the board chairman etc and etc.
But now you, Tilda, are going to cowardly go where other fools have already trod and say it's all what, a big lie? Are you serious? I mean, are you SERIOUS?
SDAminister
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Dear Tilda,
So many years now...... and virtually everything that Pickle and Joy have reported has come out as being accurate: The sweet book deals, the house deal, the pedophilia, the women, the court trials, the convictions, the private jet trips, the raiding of trust funds, the lies by the board chairman etc and etc.
But now you, Tilda, are going to cowardly go where other fools have already trod and say it's all what, a big lie? Are you serious? I mean, are you SERIOUS?
SDAminister
First off, it's not a secret who I am. Why are you addressing me as "Tilda"? Who or what is "Tilda"?
Second, Am I "going to cowardly go where other fools have already trod and say it's all what, a big lie?"
Allow me to quote you again: "Are you serious? I mean, are you SERIOUS? "
I have been here for years and years. For years now a group of us have been posting documents and evidence disproving those very things you are claiming have been proven accurate. Much of that is on the other forum, and even stored in archives of posts from this forum, MSDAOL, and Blacksda. You can't just babble over that when anyone is free to go read it for themselves, and make their own decisions.
Lastly, you haven't really addressed the content of my posts at all, nor did Artiste, or any other, with the exception of "Sister". I would like the readers and lurkers here to notice that.
Matt 5:22 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=5&t=KJV#22)
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For years now a group of us have been posting documents and evidence disproving those very things you are claiming have been proven accurate.
~ Cindy, I think you just fibbed in the above statement. Consider the list SDAminister gave one by one:
- The sweet book deals
- The house deal
- The pedophilia
- The women
- The court trials
- The convictions
- The private jet trips
- The raiding of trust funds
- The lies by the board chairman
So which of the above items have you or anyone else disproven by any documents you have posted? Certainly not the "sweet book deals," which included Danny getting kickbacks from Remnant for sales of his PPPA booklets to 3ABN. The house deal is a matter of public record. Tommy admitted to the pedophilia, admitted there was enough evidence to convict him, and was convicted besides. It's no secret that Danny and Linda used the 3ABN jet to get marriage counseling, and that Danny used to jet to ferry his lawyers to a hearing or status conference concerning his personal lawsuit against Gailon and myself. And Walt Thompson's insinuation that I had threatened the lives of Danny's family is utterly false.
I dare you to post any document that disproves any of the above things.
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I would also like to see any documents that would refute what Bob has listed in this post.
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And so would I...it must have struck a serious cord to bring out a big gun like CINDY...the same Cindy that has been a delusional enabler for how many years? YES, ENABLER!!!
I recall quite vividly your defense of Tommy Ray Shelton, a convicted pedophile not a bit unlike the Priests of recent notoriety!!! A righteous person would have been in the forefront of the call for his arrest, conviction and would promote appropriate compensation to the many victims of the last 30 plus years...but not CINDY, NAY, SHE LISTENED TO THUS SAYETH DANNY LEE SHELTON!!! Where was your thus sayeth the Lord then...and now!!! THAT MAKES YOU THE CHIEF OF HYPOCRITS!!!
How dare you to PREACH TO US ABOUT YOUR HANDLER's BIGGEST ISSUES: the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness!!! Perfect definition of CINDY and her Danny Lee Shelton!!!
And I almost missed the best part: "but as far as I am concerned there is no justification for disobeying God. Wrong is wrong." And "do you really think that believing a lie or a liar justifies that lie, or excuses you or another?"
How can you look yourself in the mirror??? I also like the reference to LIBEL, is it Libel per se??? Anytime you would like to re-open that Worcester case, I will be happy to demonstrate the REAL LIBEL...we were at the gates and you ran, my dear...your chance to prove your case is way past due and you ran as the documents flowed in!!! Proof Prima Facie that our reports were accurate, factual and documentable!!! And I have always used at least two verifiable sources, a standard in Newswriting and Editing...what is your source, the anointed one...DANNY LEE SHELTON??? The veracity of that source has long since been proven to be seriously challenged.
I freely declare you the greatest of the FALSE PROPHETS.
By the way, great to have you back!!! Your viewpoint is ENLIGHTENING...albeit a heavily deluded view!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
PS: One correction, the major mover was not the son, but rather Pam's twin sister (Pam is married to Dave Turner, the facilities manager for 3ABN). And the foundation is already poured in Missouri for the new Clark Estate...More to come as we develop ALL THE FACTS!!!
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Cindy says:
"Here's a fact. Gailon Joy, claiming to be on a mission for God in all of this, has less ethics and morals when it comes to reporting than the reporters of the world, who are without God, do." "CINDY
Retort: I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE ON A MISSION FOR GOD IN ANY OF THIS!!! Prove your blasphemy!!!
My mission has always been to seek the truth and enlighten the stock-holders in the pews of the perpetual mis-information (do we dare use the term "LIES" as it relates to the anointed one?) being fed by a miscreant non-denominational organization pretending to be " counter-acting the counterfeit" when in reality the OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE clearly points to the anointed one being THE COUNTERFEIT HIMSELF!!!
He and his side-kick made up a story about Linda to cover his own infidelity and worse, he wasted mission assets, he has methodically eliminated all the founders to inappropriately claim he is the only founder, he covered up/enabled and even found ways to support Tommy Ray Shelton when he and every member of the family knew Tommy Ray Shelton was a pedophile and "no-one would send their children for ice cream with Tommy" and consequently created in his wake a fresh batch of victims over nearly three generations.
When 3ABN's own General Counsel began to question the reality and the relationships with the likes of Brandy, et al, suddenly he got his brother-in-law to build a case against his General Counsel to get rid of their "General Counsel". Lord forbid the board find out the truth!!!
DLS seeks a divorce in Guam to cover his pathetic efforts. He knew that Linda had not committed adultery but inferred she had and then took up with and married the crowning jewel of infidelity and became an open and notorious adulterer pretending to be "God's anointed". Me thinks this makes him an incredulous hypocrit!!! When he is directly and privately questioned he threatened a lawsuit (MADE MY DAY) and when the questions become too pointed, he pulls his favorite modus operandi and passes the buck to someone else to deal with (Chairman Walter Thompson). When that does not shake us from the process he agrees to a conciliation council via ASI but when he cannot manipulate the agenda, and the panel to guarantee an exoneration, and fails to get terms to keep it all under wraps, he pulls out (yes, they ran in the bright lights of truth). Shortly thereafter I began openly reporting and as predicted he then hires a batch of legal begals from Minnesota to threaten and then sue us...(MADE MY DAY, AGAIN). When we did not bend and went on the offensive to prove, via documents from several states and subpoena's issued in seven states, and then we're at the gates with a magistrate ordering the production of the auditors document (the obvious next step was to subpoena access to the records on 3ABN property and the beginning of depositions of all those witnesses and staffers) they broke from the field of battle like the cowards they really are and dismissed their case(yup, ran again)...not even a Motion for Summary Judgment...just ran for the nearest exit to get away.
Now, 3ABN has had several opportunities to extract the ministry from the taint that Danny Lee Shelton has brought upon it, but has failed to take clear steps to properly manage the "Non-Denominational" televangelism network, and so they continue to reap the whirlwind of their inaction...c'est la vie!!!
I repeat, you can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but you CANNOT fool all the people ALL THE TIME!!! And, YOU, CINDY, are no exception. The record is pretty well established and you have demonstrated just how blind and foolish you are...and that has led you to a life of hypocrisy!!! The ultimate test will be when we get to the SECOND RESURRECTION and at that point the all-telling truth will be where you and Danny Lee Shelton stand on that critical day...very specifically, on what side of that Great Wall you will be standing. Consider this issue carefully and realize that to defend hypocrisy and blasphemy puts you on the outside of that wall...do you really want to be standing there shoulder to shoulder with Danny Lee Shelton??? There is still opportunity to repent and be saved and I encourage you to open that closed mind, to see the light, and seriously find your way back to the SDA message!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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What caused this family to become unhappy with 3ABN after years of support?
It is my understanding that a daughter from Missouri was visiting Charlie in Thompsonville. Charlie had built a home on the 3ABN campus many years ago and he and his neighbor, Bea Johnson (also built a similar home), maintained guest quarters for speakers and other guests of 3ABN. They were to serve as host and caretakers until their death, or so they thought. I am told there was a codicile in the documents (I am awaiting a prototype) that gave 3ABN the authority to take over the entire estate at a certain age and 3ABN had full power to manage, distribute or liquidate the trust and estate. Somehow, Charlie had missed that and became quite agitated and Hired an attorney in Marion to extricate himself from the Trust Services contract.
He was so infuriated he left the campus and is building a home in Missouri (near the Nebraska Line) "to die in"!!! I am told that the entire estate has returned to the Clarke Family, what is left of it. Obviously, the home on the 3ABN campus has to revert to 3ABN.
Charlie has left behind two daughters in Thompsonville, One is Tammy Clarke Larson (Wife of Clarence Larson, former 3ABN engineer, now retired) who has a privately held home not far from the 3ABN Campus and the other is one of the Clarke twins married to Dave Turner (facilities manager for 3ABN) and a neighbor of Tammy and Clarence Larson.
Charlie has made substantial progress as we are aware that the foundation is in and framing is to begin shortly in Missouri. We do not yet have the permits and plans.
The major issue for 3ABN is that when you have a trust or Charitable annuity they can take advances against the portfolio to fund current project, albeit that annuities are supposed to be invested to guarantee a return to the recipient until the annuity is fully matured or the giftor passes away...also known as the due diligence rule. 3ABN has posted it's own properties as collateral and I have consulted with a CDBG Director with an MBA in finance and administration and he feels very strongly the property values are way overstated, particularly for Southern Illinois. He also noted that the technology utilized is apparently a bit outmoded, albeit sufficient; the other issue is that Charities/non-profits must reverse annuity advances and trust advances when those sums are revoked for whatever purpose. Of course the current 990 will not be out until early 2015 and therefore difficult to determine if the proper accounting procedure will be followed.
However, another indicator that the budget is severely stressed is the unusually heavy advertising on 3ABN programming for funds/contributions/trust services options. Add this to complaints from employees of a significant reduction in hours (some are down to 10 hours a week) and recent settlements they have had to pay for the Tommy Ray Shelton pedophilia case, and the ongoing payment of legal fees for the various Danny Lee Shelton cases, one can see plenty of evidence that the "ministry" is choking for air and money!!!
Given the troubling signs and their non-denominational status they may have difficulty delivering on Charitable annuities and the revocation of Revokable Trusts. If one has questions on financial condition, I would recommend you speak directly to the treasurer and get an in writing letter of assurance on his signature...a letter from the President, Manager or Consultant would lack credibility. I seriously doubt the current treasurer would have any interest in doing jail time for Jim Gilley. Mollie Steenson or Danny Lee Shelton.
It would appear they are in an economic whirlwind and the direction does not seem positive at this point.
That is the financial summary of this ecclesiastical reporter based upon information available from various sources at this point in time. I trust it fully answers your question and the curiousity of our many guests as well...then, perhaps "Cindy" has other "reliable information" to share!!!We welcome the same...
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Add this to complaints from employees of a significant reduction in hours (some are down to 10 hours a week) and recent settlements they have had to pay for the Tommy Ray Shelton pedophilia case, and the ongoing payment of legal fees for the various Danny Lee Shelton cases, one can see plenty of evidence that the "ministry" is choking for air and money!!!
Gailon, why can't 3ABN simply refuse to pay any more of Danny's personal, private legal expenses? Anyway, if they don't report such as income on his W-2 and in the 990, I don't see how it's really legal for the to be paying any of those expenses.
By the way, any idea when Danny's Case # 2005D30 is finally going to be over? 8+ years and they still haven't gotten their marital property divided up yet. The case has been back from the appellate court now since October, and the courthouse says it's still an open case.
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I am shocked that the 3ABN board continues to allow the payment of these expenses...also, why is the board still paying a "Non-Compete" fee annually to Danny? Compete with what? I seriously doubt he could start a new competitor, particularly in this economy.
Maybe Cindy can enlighten us...of course it may be far from reality but still worth hearing about!!!
Hey, one other thing, now that Cindy has put her head above the wall...can you explain why 3ABN had to pay Alex walker a seven figure structured settlement? Can't wait for that response!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Sister says: 'Although I am not a fan of Joy's pompous style of "reporting",,,,'
Thank-you, as usual, for your assessment, but I have a question: I am well aware you had a lead on this story...WHY DID YOU NOT REPORT IT??? How is it this story was fully matured before it was reported? Was this seriously considered a non-event?
It is almost as significant as the McNeilus lead effort to clean the place out of vipers way back in May 2008...and when Gilley thwarted the effort McNeilus walked away!!! Since then, ALL the rebels have been shaken from the board and we are back to the Shelton Clique.
I am mystified why you did not consider this as a significant event!!! It is such an important event, they have rolled Cindy out of retirement to preach to us...by the way, does Cindy support women's ordination???
May be a bit academic as I understand she is also "Non-Denomonational".
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Bob, as you know, the case is tied up in an interlocutory appeal to the Illinois Court of Appeals and a decision is due any day!!! It is clearly a delay tactic and worthy of a Rule 11 Sanctions Motion once the Appeals court rules.
It is also a tribute to Danny's ability to gore those who oppose him in various way and gives serious incentive to chase the miscreant to the ends of the earth!!! Lord knows he has accumulated quite a list of people after him...I believe the board came to the conclusion "Danny is a lightening rod for attacks" but has yet to understand it is time to throw the devil to the wolves...anyone keeping tabs on just what Danny has cost this ministry in the last decade??? Must be time to cut their losses and bring the institution into a state of repentance, confession, revival and reformation before it is WAY TOO LATE!!! I wold suggest they are closing quickly on the "point of no return!!!"
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Dear Tilda,
So many years now...... and virtually everything that Pickle and Joy have reported has come out as being accurate: The sweet book deals, the house deal, the pedophilia, the women, the court trials, the convictions, the private jet trips, the raiding of trust funds, the lies by the board chairman etc and etc.
But now you, Tilda, are going to cowardly go where other fools have already trod and say it's all what, a big lie? Are you serious? I mean, are you SERIOUS?
SDAminister
First off, it's not a secret who I am. Why are you addressing me as "Tilda"? Who or what is "Tilda"?
Second, Am I "going to cowardly go where other fools have already trod and say it's all what, a big lie?"
Allow me to quote you again: "Are you serious? I mean, are you SERIOUS? "
I have been here for years and years. For years now a group of us have been posting documents and evidence disproving those very things you are claiming have been proven accurate. Much of that is on the other forum, and even stored in archives of posts from this forum, MSDAOL, and Blacksda. You can't just babble over that when anyone is free to go read it for themselves, and make their own decisions.
Lastly, you haven't really addressed the content of my posts at all, nor did Artiste, or any other, with the exception of "Sister". I would like the readers and lurkers here to notice that.
Matt 5:22 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=5&t=KJV#22)
Dear ~ Cindy,
You're the one calling yourself "Tilda". So, that answers the question why I called you "Tilda." I was just spelling it out for the those who may be ignorant of it.
SDAminister
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Bob, as you know, the case is tied up in an interlocutory appeal to the Illinois Court of Appeals and a decision is due any day!!! It is clearly a delay tactic and worthy of a Rule 11 Sanctions Motion once the Appeals court rules.
Gailon, the courthouse told me that the case came back from appeal last October. Did the clerks miss something? Is it still in appeal after all? The docket is so many pages long, it is confusing for some of them to go through and try to find out what is going on. But that is what I was told.
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Bob, as you know, the case is tied up in an interlocutory appeal to the Illinois Court of Appeals and a decision is due any day!!! It is clearly a delay tactic and worthy of a Rule 11 Sanctions Motion once the Appeals court rules.
Gailon, the courthouse told me that the case came back from appeal last October. Did the clerks miss something? Is it still in appeal after all? The docket is so many pages long, it is confusing for some of them to go through and try to find out what is going on. But that is what I was told.
So you are telling me the Attorney's missed something here? The court is suppose to tell counsel when a decision comes back...I know at least one is still waiting for a response.
I will check it out and update as appropriate...
Gailon
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What is happening with this family?
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Is there an update or a correction regarding this?
Bob, as you know, the case is tied up in an interlocutory appeal to the Illinois Court of Appeals and a decision is due any day!!! It is clearly a delay tactic and worthy of a Rule 11 Sanctions Motion once the Appeals court rules.
Gailon, the courthouse told me that the case came back from appeal last October. Did the clerks miss something? Is it still in appeal after all? The docket is so many pages long, it is confusing for some of them to go through and try to find out what is going on. But that is what I was told.
So you are telling me the Attorney's missed something here? The court is suppose to tell counsel when a decision comes back...I know at least one is still waiting for a response.
I will check it out and update as appropriate...
Gailon
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Turned out Gailon was right and the courthouse was wrong about the appeal in Linda's case. There were two points under appeal. The first was dealt with last summer, and the second just got finished up. For the second, see http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,2598.0.html.
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Another piece of interesting news and confirmation of that news, but what happens now?
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Was just informed of the following link:
http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL028015J&ocl=IL028015J,2005D30,IL028015JL2005D30D1
It gives September 10, 2013 as the next hearing date.