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Dr. Desmond Ford and Related Views

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SDAminister:

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--- Quote from: Gailon Arthur Joy on August 21, 2008, 06:00:18 PM ---I think we already had that battle with Elder Ford, et al? I know Glacier View is held in low esteam on the "LEFT COAST" but never the less, it has soundly defined the doctrine of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. All others are not Seventh-day Adventist doctrine and represent apostacy, a sign of the times, I suppose.

Gailon Arthur Joy

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Interesting comment in bold above . . . were you there? Were you involved in the discussion/debate? Were you even in the the general Glacier View area when that occurred? If not then why the inclusive pronoun "we"? I am going to guess you were not.

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anyman,
Why does it matter if Gailon wasn't near Glacier View?
Neither was I at/near Glacier View, but the battle for truth against the heresies of Desmond Ford (Sorry Gailon, he ain't no "Elder" anymore), was and is waged by many who weren't there. Perhaps the greatest riposte against Fordian theology was made by Pastor David Lin, who lived 10,000 miles away from Glacier View. His book "China Letters" makes short work of the shallow theology and even shallower thinking of the man who sailed a phantom ship far larger than the one D.M. Canright helmed a century ago. Poor Ford, couldn't even get out of the way of his own arguments! Unfortunately, Ford's acolytes still haunt many SDA churches today; but fortunately most younger, Bible-thinking people see through their old saws and are more interested in victorious SDA living.
But it all makes one wonder, is there something in the water in Australia? Another mega-heretic from down under, by the name of Robert Brinsmead, sent his brand of "another gospel" {2 Cor 11:4} to the US where it split my old church. May God have mercy.

So, anyman, what role did you play in helping the SDA church oust the impostor Ford from amongst our midst?
SDAminister

 

Emma:

--- Quote from: SDAminister on August 22, 2008, 08:16:29 PM ---[Neither was I at/near Glacier View, but the battle for truth against the heresies of Desmond Ford (Sorry Gailon, he ain't no "Elder" anymore), was and is waged by many who
But it all makes one wonder, is there something in the water in Australia? Another mega-heretic from down under, by the name of Robert Brinsmead, sent his brand of "another gospel" {2 Cor 11:4} to the US where it split my old church. May God have mercy.

So, anyman, what role did you play in helping the SDA church oust the impostor Ford from amongst our midst?
SDAminister

 

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For the record "the imposter" Dr Ford is still a member of the SDA church, as far as I know, and lives in Queensland.

And I think you might have left out some of the Australian influence in the Branch Davidians in your category of megaheretics from Down Under.

In the past I have listened to Dr Ford speak, on various occasions, and while I do not necessarily agree with all he believes, I never heard him speak of more conservative
members of the church with the vitriol some with other view points, used.

It would be a good thing if those who believe they have "The Truth'" could show "victorious SDA living".

For the record also, I am a relatively conservative SDA - by Australian standards anyway.

GrandmaNettie:
Amen, Emma.

IMO, vitriol spouted against any other child of God is a far worse heresy than Ford's or Brinsmead's theology.  There is a correct way to confront error and there is the adversary's way.

Bob Pickle:
What would have been beneficial to Ford and many others, I think, is to put more effort in finding answers to questions, answers that support what we believe rather than answers that tear it down.

For example, I recall Dr. Ford saying something about "within the veil" in Hebrews having to correspond to a particular phrase in the LXX, and thus it had to mean "Most Holy Place" in Hebrews. But when I tried to check that out, it appeared to me that the Greek of Hebrews 6:19 corresponded more closely to that of the LXX of Num. 3:26, which to me definitely is talking about within the first veil rather than within the second veil.

We tend to find what we are looking for, and if we aren't looking for something, we are unlikely to find what is really there.

GrandmaNettie:
Here is a little Biblical support for Emma's post as well as the formula for leading a victorious life, SDA or otherwise.

Matthew 22:34 - 40:

34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:

36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."


1 Corinthians 13 (New International Version)

 1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love

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