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Bob Pickle:
The president of La Sierra University, Randal Wisbey, has responded to David Asscherick's letter. You can read his response at http://www.atoday.com/President+of+LSU+Responds+to+Atheistic+Evolution+Allegations.

Unfortunately, Wisbey missed a golden opportunity by not denying that evolution is being taught as fact at La Sierra. He denied that atheistic evolution is being taught, but never denied that evolution is being taught. And Asscherick never said that La Sierra was teaching atheistic evolution.

David C. Read expressed surprise that Wisbey said, "As an institution of higher education, a Seventh-day Adventist university provides an excellent setting for examining evolutionary process - a subject that is foundational to the modern biological and behavioral sciences." Read stated, "I would have expected the Wisbey response to be a smarmy, vague, non-denial, and it is.  I would not have expected Wisbey to openly endorse Darwinism, as he has in the 7th paragraph of the letter." And, "I am a bit surprised, however, that the president of an Adventist college would give Darwinism a full-throated endorsement in an open letter intended to be read by the laity and administrators alike."

tinka:
How strange this thread I just came on to. Could not sleep so clicked on this topic that I have not seen before. The strange part is that my husband and I were just discussing this on our own today.

It is a strange topic that has been in my own personal understanding discussed back and forth with my husband and heard a preacher give his own personal thoughts. They conclude that maybe something was here before creation in some sort.

It took me years and years of reading 1st page of Creation over and over and over and then following all references. Finally 5-6 years now it is finally instilled quite plain. You can possibly see some scripture that if you want to believe that something was here, rock, etc, etc , you might conclude. But whether it appears like it or not in writing English. I read it better and weigh it word for word and sometimes even laying it out visually, like on felt boards to finally see exactly the meaning. I did this with the creation story as I am never satisfied with indecision of how it was.

Without adding to or taking away. I discovered or was shown and it seemed much opened up in the understanding that I am quite satisfied with. I discovered that nothing was there except mist. A dark black hole of mist. Not even air until a firmament (space, air, a heaven)was made. It says The mist was parted and a "firmament" (or space was made with mist on the top and mist below).  So I do gather without adding or taking away that mist was there.  Now dry earth appeared. all this was spoken and it was. I cannot believe now any other way.

I hate to tell the stupidity of what took me so long to get this. But again, it is my nature to do it and do it and do it until I get a square fact. A fact that matches without doubt and finally jumped out with just a misunderstanding of one word.

I find one thing though with situations and people. When one wants to believe a theory of their own they can usually find it and twist scripture until it comes out their way of thought.

I have done this also with the Trinity or the Godhead and the only thing that I disagreed ever with M Finley is that questions about being able to understand the Godhead.  I agree that the mystery of "How the Trinity" is possible can never be known-- but the inner working of it can and it opened up great insight of how marvelous the whole Bible opens up to the most incredible workings of God and the separate entity's of the Godhead and yet ONE GOD. Invisible, visible. audio.

 I have taken over years all the quotes of EGW and Bible verses put them all in order in summary that had any thing to do with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and the workings of the Trinity is the most incredible way to know God. It took years to find the most inquisitive questions that I had to know. Our minds will always be closed to His mystery of "being" but his works and Love and How being with His people and creation he has portrayed before our eyes or told from scripture. The rest is faith and belief.  I am so amazed that he gives such satisfaction and rest of belief in His Word.  I lack the right words to explain.

It seems these days that college is no longer for a place to learn professional employment only, but the best place where satan can come and make complete liberals out of some of the best. What better place for him to work. The young students. The professors in the most Liberal colleges have brought America to it's knees. Away from God.  I just read the letter addressed by David A.

It's funny how an opinion derives from Conservative views. It happened with me when I saw DA wear on TV while he was preaching a seminar a couple of years ago when he came out with some sort of Catholic garb type dress over pants. I did not like the appearance at all.  I did not get good vibe of this at all and did not understand an Adventist doing this or looking like a priest.

Well, said enough in the middle of the night Hmm it's almost morning. So as I read all this that is going on over the threads I see that Adventists have their work cut out for them as we are still seemingly divided on the Creation. and then the 144,000, Money pits and several other issues still after all that has been done to clear the way for us. How sad. Our last messenger is almost a thing of the past now, misunderstood or forgotten.......

Bob Pickle:
One of the last two comments to the AToday posting of Wisbey's letter states the following:


--- Quote ---Here at CUC we have had the majority of the science faculty on the side of theistic evolution for many years.  I believe the administration has tried at certain times to purge the problem, but haven’t been successful.  The leadership seems to be confused or blinded as to what has been going on, and does not really try to investigate the matter to find out.  The teachers themselves try to keep their true evolutionary stance/agenda hidden from school administrators and denominational accreditation committees, but even a cursory reading of handout/textbook materials from certain classes would reveal the theistic evolutionary beliefs of the teachers.  One of the deceptive ways these men keep their true views hidden from the public is that they often call themselves creationists.  But the fact is they believe that God used evolution to create, rather than creating instantaneously as the Word of God teaches.  So they are not really creationists at all, but theistic evolutionists.
--- End quote ---

That's a pretty serious accusation. I would hope it isn't true, because I would hope that one could get an Adventist education at an Adventist school.

From the first paragraph I see that "CUC" is not Columbia Union College.

Johann:
A friend in charge of pastoral training in one of the world divisions assures me that most theologians in our Church are firm believers in the 6-day creation which is our official stand and teaching.

Bob Pickle:
I'd like to encourage everyone to go to http://www.educatetruth.com/, click the petition link, and sign the petition.

If you add comments when you sign the petition, make them all one paragraph, whether long or short. Adding a line break in the comments seems to cause those comments to be grayed out. It must be a problem with the petition software.

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