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[ex3abnemployee]

1. What difference does it make what denomination Fonda Summers was from--the point is she was not SDA but she had a heart relationship with Jesus and she gave what she could give! God bless her for it.

2. It also doesn't matter about the equipment donated by the Pentecostal church not being used. What DOES matter is that God used this amazing free gift to encourage and let Danny Shelton know that He wanted 3ABN to go forward. I mean Danny didn't even have the land yet.  It was planned to use the equipment until it became apparent that it had become outdated by the time they were ready for it. Newer equipment was a better use of money given. Besides, God owns the cattle on a THOUSAND HILLS and it was no problem for Him to build 3ABN to share the Good News with people who need it.

3. Pink paint on the set? Nothing was said about any sets at all. They didn't get that far yet. Didn't you hear that there is another 30 minute section yet to come? Tom said it would include Linda Shelton. Maybe it will include you too.

I'm sure MANY people who were involved in the beginnings of 3ABN who worked hard have not been mentioned and won't be mentioned at all. But God used willing people with willing hearts to get His 3-angels messages out to the whole world. God is to be PRAISED over and over and over again.  PRAISE HIS NAME!!!  PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!!!

Well, you would think that they would want to get it right about Fonda Summers. After all, details are king to some of you people. I just find it funny that it was told she went to 2 different denominations of churches in Thgompsonville that don't even exist there.

Yes, the comment about the pink paint was a joke. I thought I was absurd enough that anyone could recognize that. I guess I was wrong. lol

[Johann]

A friend told me he'd turned 3ABN on to listen to the Sabbath School lesson study. In stead he heard two hours of Danny's story where Linda was mentioned too.

[ex3abnemployee]

A friend told me he'd turned 3ABN on to listen to the Sabbath School lesson study. In stead he heard two hours of Danny's story where Linda was mentioned too.

They did mention Linda, in passing. I watched for an hour and a half and never saw her face. I never heard Jim and Ann Greer mentioned either, and I personally have heard Danny call them co-founders. They were abruptly removed from 3ABN when I worked there, and then we had a meeting where they were trashed in front of all the employees. Makes me wonder what really happened to them now.

[Pat Williams]

3D - I write this as one asking a sincere question.   I do not have first hand knowledge of any of the 3ABN
saga although I have followed it here, on CA and on BSDA earlier.   Hence I have avoided giving any dogmatic
opinions, one way or the other.

I have heard of a number of individuals who were first alerted to a problem at 3ABN, and decided to look more
deeply into events there, by the behaviour of Danny Shelton and senior management, on and off air.

As one, by your own acknowledgement, who has looked very carefully at both sides, do you see any merit in these
statements?  Would it have been sound judgement to have labelled Danny as one who "protested too much"?   

Emma, thank you for your question. I am not sure if answering it in detail here is on topic or not. So, I will be brief. In looking at all and reading the very first posts and publicized announcements and letters. It is my opinion that 3abn initially gave no details and were in fact being criticized for not doing so. No one knew why Linda was no longer at 3abn or even what the problem was within the Shelton's marriage. IMO, that was all announced and made public by Linda, Darell Mundall, and Johann Thorvaldsson, and others, ( not by those who were alerted to problems and wanted to look at them) Linda adnd her friends were the ones doing "the alerting" - which in turn brought about the responses from Danny Shelton and 3abn, which in turn was used to justify the accusations by Linda and her friends that 3abn was publicly trashing her.

A friend is helping compile a timeline which demonstrates all of this, and includes the fliers handed out at campmeeting before Linda was even fired or divorced (fliers made by Johann, the DR, Linda's help, and Danny's ex son in law). The first article published by AToday revealing all from the perspective of "sources close to Linda" who were "speaking out" and referring to both Johann and Mundall, and Linda and her website registered in June of 2004 by Mundall- as sources. There is alot more... and many others also, in the small group who started all this publicity and ugliness,  on CA, and then moving to BSDA and Maritime as a group to continue with their agenda to bring down both Danny Shelton and 3abn.  When all the research is done, and documented, this will all be layed out and published online so all can see for themselves who the people were and what they did and said on Linda's behalf, and how they worked to orchestrate a campaign against 3abn with calls and emails to Churches and officials ect... Of course that can't be here, as this forum won't allow us to publish the identities of SSOM, Artiste, Sister, Watchbird or any of the others in the group, so that limits what I can say here. The other forum will do as one vehicle to finally reveal all as Linda has asked, and in fact demanded. Being that the lawsuit is over, It is past time, imo.

But, anyway the point is Danny Shelton was speaking in reaction to all that was being said about him imo, and in hindsight it may have been better for him not to have spoken in some instances, but it was a case of he and 3abn being found at fault and attacked when they didn't say something, and then found at fault and attacked when they did. NOT easy. Unfortunately and imo it is true that many have said things on both sides in all of this which shouldn't have been said, but as far as DS protesting too much goes? No I don't see it that way. Not, if all is examined and what he actually said, vs what it has been reported that he said is looked at. If one goes by only what Linda and her friends have claimed, well I understand it could look that way, for that's exactly what they were trying to make it look like.

I hope this answers your question somewhat.

3d

[Emma]

Thank you for your response 3D.  You have given your conclusions, which is what I requested.

Being 'brief' is fine, I was not asking for detailed reasons for those conclusions.

[Sam]

A friend told me he'd turned 3ABN on to listen to the Sabbath School lesson study. In stead he heard two hours of Danny's story where Linda was mentioned too.

They did mention Linda, in passing. I watched for an hour and a half and never saw her face. I never heard Jim and Ann Greer mentioned either, and I personally have heard Danny call them co-founders. They were abruptly removed from 3ABN when I worked there, and then we had a meeting where they were trashed in front of all the employees. Makes me wonder what really happened to them now.

You must not have listened closely as they did mention Ann Greer. You wonder why she wasn't there long?  Linda didn't want her there.

[Johann]

It will be interesting to see the "new" report that is coming.

[ex3abnemployee]

You must not have listened closely as they did mention Ann Greer. You wonder why she wasn't there long?  Linda didn't want her there.

I'll take your word that they mentioned Ann. It could very well have happened one of the times while I was out of the room. I didn't sit there glued to the set in awe.

As far as Linda not wanting her there, that's unsubstantiated.

[anyman]

"Unsubstantiated" is a convenient term in your vocabulary. You happen to have a vested interested in Linda's position so of course you would use that word. How about if you provide names, dates, and verbatim transcripts that substantiate your insinuated claim that Linda didn't want Ann out of the picture. You prove the claim is false with verifiable information. The ball is in your court. Until you provide documentation that is verifiable via independently alternative sources then one would have to accept the claims of Sam as solid evidence.

Do you have a certified doc, signed by Linda that she wanted Ann at 3ABN? Do you have an email that can forensically be tracked back to Linda that indicates she wanted Ann at 3ABN? Do you have a signed statement (by Linda Shelton) that says she wanted Ann to be a part of 3ABN?

As the process goes forward there will be ever increasing evidence that Linda was at the root of all these attacks against 3ABN. It may even be evident that she facilitated the financing of the attacks. The money may not have come from her account - but the connections will lead back to her. 

You must not have listened closely as they did mention Ann Greer. You wonder why she wasn't there long?  Linda didn't want her there.

I'll take your word that they mentioned Ann. It could very well have happened one of the times while I was out of the room. I didn't sit there glued to the set in awe.

As far as Linda not wanting her there, that's unsubstantiated.

[Bob Pickle]

anyman and Danny_Defender,

The idea that Linda is the root of it all is a bald faced lie, as is clear from my conversation with John Lomacang on September 1, 2007.

John blamed it all on Linda and Arild. More than once. And each time I told him I couldn't buy that, since Pastor Dryden's letter to Walt Thompson was written in the first half of 2003.

Now if you guys want to propose that Linda is the one who got Dryden to write the letter in 2003 about Tommy's molesting boys, and that Linda then got Danny to call Dryden to make his stupid veiled threats and to admit that Tommy really did do something, and that Linda got Dryden and Danny to do that in 2003 because she was trying to take down Danny and 3ABN, more than a year before the divorce, then go right ahead.

After all, there are gullible people out there ... somewhere ... who would be gullible enough or dimwitted enough or drunk enough or spaced out enough or drowsy enough to buy such a far fetched, weird, crazy, impossible tale.

As far as AToday goes, what is the date of the article you refer to, Danny_Defender? Was that article published before or after Danny went on the air and said what he did around June 17, 2004?

[anyman]

Here is a better proposal:

1. You prove, by linking to unedited transcripts of emails or telephone conversations with Pastor Lomacang, that he "blamed" Linda.

2. You prove that Linda wasn't in communication with Pastor Dryden. This would be tough if you truly are not in regular communication with Linda. It also would be something that you would want to try and twist out of.

3. You prove that Linda never said her goal was take down 3ABN and Danny. This would require you to have verified sources that communicated with Linda after the divorce and separation agreement with 3ABN. By providing these you would be evidencing your direct contact with Linda, which arguably goes back further than you have admitted to.

It is interesting that you would use a reasonable description of those who ascribe to the maniacal theories that have been developed by GAJ and yourself, - "who would be gullible enough or dimwitted enough or drunk enough or spaced out enough or drowsy enough to buy such a far fetched, weird, crazy, impossible tale." - to describe those you disagree with you.

Your circular arguments will only result in an ever enclosing lariat that you will end up hanging yourself with. You've got far enough rope . . . now the world sits back and watches how you tie the knots.

anyman and Danny_Defender,

The idea that Linda is the root of it all is a bald faced lie, as is clear from my conversation with John Lomacang on September 1, 2007.

John blamed it all on Linda and Arild. More than once. And each time I told him I couldn't buy that, since Pastor Dryden's letter to Walt Thompson was written in the first half of 2003.

Now if you guys want to propose that Linda is the one who got Dryden to write the letter in 2003 about Tommy's molesting boys, and that Linda then got Danny to call Dryden to make his stupid veiled threats and to admit that Tommy really did do something, and that Linda got Dryden and Danny to do that in 2003 because she was trying to take down Danny and 3ABN, more than a year before the divorce, then go right ahead.

After all, there are gullible people out there ... somewhere ... who would be gullible enough or dimwitted enough or drunk enough or spaced out enough or drowsy enough to buy such a far fetched, weird, crazy, impossible tale.

As far as AToday goes, what is the date of the article you refer to, Danny_Defender? Was that article published before or after Danny went on the air and said what he did around June 17, 2004?

[Johann]

Emma, thank you for your question. I am not sure if answering it in detail here is on topic or not. So, I will be brief. In looking at all and reading the very first posts and publicized announcements and letters. It is my opinion that 3abn initially gave no details and were in fact being criticized for not doing so. No one knew why Linda was no longer at 3abn or even what the problem was within the Shelton's marriage. IMO, that was all announced and made public by Linda, Darell Mundall, and Johann Thorvaldsson, and others, ( not by those who were alerted to problems and wanted to look at them) Linda adnd her friends were the ones doing "the alerting" - which in turn brought about the responses from Danny Shelton and 3abn, which in turn was used to justify the accusations by Linda and her friends that 3abn was publicly trashing her.

A friend is helping compile a timeline which demonstrates all of this, and includes the fliers handed out at campmeeting before Linda was even fired or divorced (fliers made by Johann, the DR, Linda's help, and Danny's ex son in law). The first article published by AToday revealing all from the perspective of "sources close to Linda" who were "speaking out" and referring to both Johann and Mundall, and Linda and her website registered in June of 2004 by Mundall- as sources. There is alot more... and many others also, in the small group who started all this publicity and ugliness,  on CA, and then moving to BSDA and Maritime as a group to continue with their agenda to bring down both Danny Shelton and 3abn.  When all the research is done, and documented, this will all be layed out and published online so all can see for themselves who the people were and what they did and said on Linda's behalf, and how they worked to orchestrate a campaign against 3abn with calls and emails to Churches and officials ect... Of course that can't be here, as this forum won't allow us to publish the identities of SSOM, Artiste, Sister, Watchbird or any of the others in the group, so that limits what I can say here. The other forum will do as one vehicle to finally reveal all as Linda has asked, and in fact demanded. Being that the lawsuit is over, It is past time, imo.

But, anyway the point is Danny Shelton was speaking in reaction to all that was being said about him imo, and in hindsight it may have been better for him not to have spoken in some instances, but it was a case of he and 3abn being found at fault and attacked when they didn't say something, and then found at fault and attacked when they did. NOT easy. Unfortunately and imo it is true that many have said things on both sides in all of this which shouldn't have been said, but as far as DS protesting too much goes? No I don't see it that way. Not, if all is examined and what he actually said, vs what it has been reported that he said is looked at. If one goes by only what Linda and her friends have claimed, well I understand it could look that way, for that's exactly what they were trying to make it look like.

I hope this answers your question somewhat.

3d

You have an amazing knowledge, 3d. You seem to know of a number of things I'm supposed to have done of which I have no knowledge. Where do you get such information? Is your source trustworthy?

[Cindy]

anyman and Danny_Defender,

The idea that Linda is the root of it all is a bald faced lie, as is clear from my conversation with John Lomacang on September 1, 2007.

John blamed it all on Linda and Arild. More than once. And each time I told him I couldn't buy that, since Pastor Dryden's letter to Walt Thompson was written in the first half of 2003...

You were also directly told the following and didn't buy it:

"As I recall the events of 2003, I received a call from Brad Thorp from the General Conference telling me of Pastor Dryden's accusations. Brad appropriately told me that it was not his concern, and that it was ours to handle. As I recall, I contacted pastor Dryden and heard his side of the story following which I received the letter that is circulating. I was at 3abn at the time and spoke at length with Danny about the matter. He shared with me the details as he understood them. Whether or not I was aware of what generated the letter at that time, I do not remember. Based upon my understanding that Dryden had had a long standing feud with Tommy over factors unrelated to the above accusations, it did not seem indicated to approach the boys in question directly, having been informed that no case had ever been filed with the courts or legal disposition made. We then discussed the situation with the full board. Given the alleged events had occured many years before, attempts had been made to make things right, and no legal action had been taken, we did not see any reason to pursue the issue further nor to follow through with his recommendations. In my reply to pastor Dryden I merely thanked him for fulfilling his obligation to us. ...Subsequently, after this issue has been brought back to the forefront (I think there is only one person who could have known about this and brought it to world wide attention, and that person was then on the board and voted with the concensus)"

Whether you buy it or not, Bob? Is not the issue.

As far as AToday goes, what is the date of the article you refer to, Danny_Defender? Was that article published before or after Danny went on the air and said what he did around June 17, 2004?

I have seen it ,and the date is before, but I think it is a waste of time to argue about that now, or about what Danny did or did not say, or even to argue with you period. What you think is not even a issue or a criteria in establishing a history. It will all be documented with dates and documents so it can all plainly be seen and understood by others (without the commentary, editing and reinterpretations and unsubstantiated accusations you are famous for) so you can either wait patiently for that, or continue with your twist and shout dance throughout the New Year. Your choice.

toodles...

[Bob Pickle]

1. You prove, by linking to unedited transcripts of emails or telephone conversations with Pastor Lomacang, that he "blamed" Linda.

Why is that necessary? I was a party to that conversation, and I know what he told me.

2. You prove that Linda wasn't in communication with Pastor Dryden.

So you really are going to propose that Linda got Dryden to write a letter more than a year before the divorce? You really are going to go down that road?

Oh, I forgot. You're also going to have to propose that Linda, early in 2003, got Roger Clem to come forward and say that Tommy had molested him.

And none of this would really mean a thing, unless you propose that Linda convinced both Roger and Dryden to lie about it all, and that Tommy never really molested boys. If Tommy really is a child molester, then Linda's concern about that would be vindicating, not condemning.

Now, how do you propose to explain why Danny would then lie in his answering machine message to Dryden that Tommy had really truly done something for which the statute of limitations would apply? It's a catch 22. If Tommy molested boys, then Danny has got some serious problems since he covered it all up. And if Tommy didn't, then Danny is a liar for suggesting that Tommy did.

3. You prove that Linda never said her goal was take down 3ABN and Danny.

It seems to me that that is totally irrelevant. Even if she said such, it doesn't mean that all the concern people have had over the various facets of the Danny Shelton corruption scandal was instigated by Linda.

It is interesting that you would use a reasonable description of those who ascribe to the maniacal theories that have been developed by GAJ and yourself, - "who would be gullible enough or dimwitted enough or drunk enough or spaced out enough or drowsy enough to buy such a far fetched, weird, crazy, impossible tale." - to describe those you disagree with you.

I do not appreciate your twisting my words. My statement is clear that you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would buy the story that Linda got Dryden to write his 2003 letter in order to take down Danny and 3ABN, when she and Danny weren't even estranged yet. But someone extremely gullible or dimwitted or drunk or spaced out or half asleep just might.

[Bob Pickle]

You were also directly told the following and didn't buy it:

"As I recall the events of 2003, I received a call from Brad Thorp from the General Conference telling me of Pastor Dryden's accusations. Brad appropriately told me that it was not his concern, and that it was ours to handle. As I recall, I contacted pastor Dryden and heard his side of the story following which I received the letter that is circulating. I was at 3abn at the time and spoke at length with Danny about the matter. He shared with me the details as he understood them. Whether or not I was aware of what generated the letter at that time, I do not remember. Based upon my understanding that Dryden had had a long standing feud with Tommy over factors unrelated to the above accusations, it did not seem indicated to approach the boys in question directly, having been informed that no case had ever been filed with the courts or legal disposition made. We then discussed the situation with the full board. Given the alleged events had occured many years before, attempts had been made to make things right, and no legal action had been taken, we did not see any reason to pursue the issue further nor to follow through with his recommendations. In my reply to pastor Dryden I merely thanked him for fulfilling his obligation to us. ...Subsequently, after this issue has been brought back to the forefront (I think there is only one person who could have known about this and brought it to world wide attention, and that person was then on the board and voted with the concensus)"

Whether you buy it or not, Bob? Is not the issue.

And who was Walt talking about in that email? Was he talking about Linda or someone else?

More importantly, the information about that 2003 letter did not come from any past or present 3ABN board member, directly or indirectly. Walt simply doesn't know what he is talking about.

But how I found out about the letter is irrelevant to the point that Walt irresponsibly never really investigated the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton, since he never contacted any of the alleged victims or their families or the two organizations that gave Tommy credentials.

But what it does show is that Walt didn't fire Linda over any alleged adultery, since Walt, like Danny, had no problem with replacing an alleged adulteress with a known pedophile.

And I think that is super disgusting.