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[Artiste]

A discussion site in West Frankfort, IL

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G

It doesn't sound like 3ABN is very well thought of in some quarters.

[Johann]

I notice a reader in Indiana thinks these are false alarms since only two people have complained. I wonder how many victims are needed before a criminal can be convicted?

[Pat Williams]

A discussion site in West Frankfort, IL

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G

It doesn't sound like 3ABN is very well thought of in some quarters.

 Because an anonymous person gave a link to Mr Pickle's website and another anonymous person took a potshot at the Shelton family? There are also many quarters where 3abn and the Sheltons are very well thought of. I am sure George can confirm that.

There's also a recent article on topix about a WF man arrested for allegations of child pornography. They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...

[Pat Williams]

I notice a reader in Indiana thinks these are false alarms since only two people have complained. I wonder how many victims are needed before a criminal can be convicted?

Only one alleged victim and a fair trial are needed to either convict or vindicate a man, Mr Johann.

[Pat Williams]

I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.

Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.

As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter[/font]

There are not enough clues to solve this riddle. There is no way to make any determination about the legal status of most of the line items on a 990. There are however a variety of other ways to report income, land transfers, sales of goods and property, that are legally done using forms that are not required to be made public. Pickle and Joy do not have access to those things and are not likely to gain access.

Any presumption of lying or foul play based on only the bits claimed to be in evidence by Mr Joy is therefore unjustified, unwarranted, and premature, ie; mere surmising and evil surmising at that.


3d

[ex3abnemployee]

Because an anonymous person gave a link to Mr Pickle's website and another anonymous person took a potshot at the Shelton family? There are also many quarters where 3abn and the Sheltons are very well thought of. I am sure George can confirm that.

There's also a recent article on topix about a WF man arrested for allegations of child pornography. They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...

But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.

[Cindy]

Because an anonymous person gave a link to Mr Pickle's website and another anonymous person took a potshot at the Shelton family? There are also many quarters where 3abn and the Sheltons are very well thought of. I am sure George can confirm that.

There's also a recent article on topix about a WF man arrested for allegations of child pornography. They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...

But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.

Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.

So now we can pray for all and allow justice to take it's course.

[Cindy]

I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.

Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.

As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter[/font]

There are not enough clues to solve this riddle. There is no way to make any determination about the legal status of most of the line items on a 990. There are however a variety of other ways to report income, land transfers, sales of goods and property, that are legally done using forms that are not required to be made public. Pickle and Joy do not have access to those things and are not likely to gain access.

Any presumption of lying or foul play based on only the bits claimed to be in evidence by Mr Joy is therefore unjustified, unwarranted, and premature, ie; mere surmising and evil surmising at that.


3d

hmmm...  I haven't received even those referenced bits yet via email in case anybody's wondering.

[tinka]

The topix link is just a birds eye view of public sediment that will carry over to a jury less the few protectors that ventured there to view thoses posts. I do agree that there is probably many more worms in that can. Doesn't the "clan" know that once public views more and more it will only get worse? Already they have viewed that the church as protecting this. Whether it be the right church or wrong they are accusing. The black eyes are coming. The "clan" needs to get out while they "can".

[Bob Pickle]

Gailon, the 990 filed with the IRS has a Schedule J, but Part III is blank.

And why don't you explain how this relates to non-compete agreements???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

It would appear that 3ABN entered into a non-compete agreement, whereby 3ABN gave Danny 48 acres of land, allegedly in 2008, and over $52,000, allegedly in 2009.

[Bob Pickle]

They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...

Would you mind explaining to us all how that can happen in Illinois given the statute of limitations?

Now what 3ABN could do is contact each and every parent of each and every kid who appeared on Kid's Time and who attended the schools and camp meetings held on 3ABN's premises. 3ABN could ask each one if anything happened to their kids on 3ABN's premises. Then maybe we could end up with more recent alleged victims, and Tommy could then be tried in Illinois too.

If 3ABN doesn't want to do the contacting, I could do it for them.

[Bob Pickle]

There are not enough clues to solve this riddle.

Sure there are. Jim Gilley stated under penalty of perjury that $96,000 worth of land was given to Danny Shelton as part of an non-compete agreement, and Danny stated in a April 2008 post-nuptial agreement that he bought that land.

Can't be both ways.

[Bob Pickle]

But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.

Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.

Could you please explain yourself? Are you trying to say that if the statute of limitations has run out, that it is evil and wrong to protect kids?

And why didn't you, Cindy Ann Conard, report the allegations against Tommy to the authorities, if you really think such was required in this case?

[childoftheking]

Quote "There is no way to make any determination about the legal status of most of the line items on a 990."

This is just double talk.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/charities/search/index.jsp

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/charities/disclaimer.html

Agree to the provisions

Type in Three Angels Broadcasting

Hit Search

Then financial documents

Choose CO Annual Report 2008. It is a pdf file that will take awhile to load since it is an 18 meg+file but worth it. It will show the 990 for the year 2008 that was filed with the State of Illinois.
Look at schedule J part III. The Schedules are not listed in order so you will have to look past schedules M and L. Part 3 is listed before part II and part I.

[ex3abnemployee]

Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.

So now we can pray for all and allow justice to take it's course.

I agree with you to a point. I've always known this was a personal vendetta issue with Dryden. He's a smooth talker and some who haven't know him for years as I have haven't seen through it yet. But they will.

Also, these charges have been coming for quite some time. I first found out they were going to be filed about 3 months ago, and there had been an ongoing investigation long before that. Sometimes these things just take time.