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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #165 on: July 06, 2010, 06:25:05 AM »

Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it.  

I can not speak for Danny.    I simply remind you that Linda went into court in an attempt to have the divorce declared illegal.   The judge rulled against her and declared the divorce legal.

I can't speak for either, and am not, but the first fact is that either may or may not have wanted a divorce, but both agreed to get one. The Guam divorce (regardless of who filed for it) was uncontested. Both agreed to it, both signed the petition.

The second fact , according to the court records and current case, is that Linda appealed the Guam divorce, but she did so in order to refile for a Illinois divorce, and is contesting and arguing not only about the unresolved and unaddressed division of marital assets but also to contest the earlier agreed to divisions. COME ON PEOPLE, why would she sign the original petition or try to file for an Illinois divorce if she didn't want a divorce? All she had to do if she didn't was say I don't and didn't want a divorce and am contesting it's validity.

As we all know, fact three, the property part of the divorce in Guam, the part related to the division of property not already agreed to, is still underway in Franklin County, Illinois.

My understanding, FWIW,  is that Linda and Danny both agreed to the divorce and agreed Danny would file for the divorce and that Linda would file for the division of marital assets which they hadn't already agreed to and resolved after that.

I have a hard time understanding why this remains such a issue for the busy bodies.True we need to stand for the right, and not defend or condone wrong, but  people ( and Danny and Linda are people) deserve privacy, and support and love, and prayers, especially in hard or difficult times.

edited to clarify and fix my typos...
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #166 on: July 06, 2010, 06:51:30 AM »

Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it.  

I can not speak for Danny.    I simply remind you that Linda went into court in an attempt to have the divorce declared illegal.   The judge rulled against her and declared the divorce legal.

I can't speak for either, and am not, but the first fact is that either may or may not have wanted a divorce, but both agreed to get one. The Guam divorce (regardless of who filed for it) was uncontested. Both agreed to it, both signed the petition.

The second fact , according to the court records and current case, is that Linda appealed the Guam divorce, but she did so in order to refile for a Illinois divorce, and is contesting and arguing not only about the unresolved and unaddressed division of marital assets but also to contest the earlier agreed to divisions. COME ON PEOPLE, why would she sign the original petition or try to file for an Illinois divorce if she didn't want a divorce? All she had to do if she didn't was say I don't and didn't want a divorce and am contesting it's validity.

As we all know, fact three, the property part of the divorce in Guam, the part related to the division of property not already agreed to, is still underway in Franklin County, Illinois.

My understanding, FWIW,  is that Linda and Danny both agreed to the divorce and agreed Danny would file for the divorce and that Linda would file for the division of marital assets which they hadn't already agreed to and resolved after that.

I have a hard time understanding why this remains such a issue for the busy bodies. People deserve privacy, and support and love, especially in hard or difficult times.

edited to clarify and fix my typos...

This may seem odd, but I agree with you Cindy.  It does seem odd that she would appeal the guam divorce, so one could be filed in Illinois.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #167 on: July 06, 2010, 07:04:43 AM »

Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it.  

I can not speak for Danny.    I simply remind you that Linda went into court in an attempt to have the divorce declared illegal.   The judge rulled against her and declared the divorce legal.

I can't speak for either, and am not, but the first fact is that either may or may not have wanted a divorce, but both agreed to get one. The Guam divorce (regardless of who filed for it) was uncontested. Both agreed to it, both signed the petition.

The second fact , according to the court records and current case, is that Linda appealed the Guam divorce, but she did so in order to refile for a Illinois divorce, and is contesting and arguing not only about the unresolved and unaddressed division of marital assets but also to contest the earlier agreed to divisions. COME ON PEOPLE, why would she sign the original petition or try to file for an Illinois divorce if she didn't want a divorce? All she had to do if she didn't was say I don't and didn't want a divorce and am contesting it's validity.

As we all know, fact three, the property part of the divorce in Guam, the part related to the division of property not already agreed to, is still underway in Franklin County, Illinois.

My understanding, FWIW,  is that Linda and Danny both agreed to the divorce and agreed Danny would file for the divorce and that Linda would file for the division of marital assets which they hadn't already agreed to and resolved after that.

I have a hard time understanding why this remains such a issue for the busy bodies. People deserve privacy, and support and love, especially in hard or difficult times.

edited to clarify and fix my typos...

This may seem odd, but I agree with you Cindy.  It does seem odd that she would appeal the guam divorce, so one could be filed in Illinois.

Thanks, my thought is that the truth is most often found by combining both sides, rather than in just considering one's perspective or view. And, oOoPs ,I edited while you were replying again but didn't mean to cause any problems here.  I'm sorry.:)
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #168 on: July 06, 2010, 07:41:59 AM »

The time frame on these scene of events are quite unique to say the least. Linda is accused of being unfaithful to her husband, and four months later Danny files for a divorce. And some of the defenders are trying to say that this wasn't a set up? I don't understand how all of these events transpired in a four month period. Seems odd, but that is just me.

Ok, here we may disagree...

Perhaps.. and I know some of the details here, but not all, but you know what? 4 mos isn't beyond comprehension to me. I was married for 20 years, and it only took one minute for me to discover that I had grounds for divorce. My children had to tell me, as my husband said he was finding himself in order to be the husband and father he should be and needed time, I gave him that, until he showed up at a family gathering that I was asked to not attend by his family members due to him not being ready and not able to face me yet. Christmas, I stayed home while my children went. He showed up with another woman, and broke their hearts,and they had to tell me.  My husband, told me he didn't want a divorce as he still loved me, he said that while living with that other woman, and he continued to be with her while stalking me, and he even contested our divorce. But, how much time did I need? From our separation, to my decision to file for a divorce, it was one month...

These things happen. It isn't how much time, but what happened in that time, and why, and what, and how,  which are the problem, imo.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #169 on: July 06, 2010, 09:05:45 AM »

Oh Ian, I am so sorry that you had to go through all that. It must have been absolutely devastating. I'm sure you didn't deserve to be treated that way. I hope you are finding happiness now. They say the best revenge is living well. So perhaps you are better off without him. Jes sayin' ya know.
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #170 on: July 06, 2010, 10:01:36 AM »

The time frame on these scene of events are quite unique to say the least. Linda is accused of being unfaithful to her husband, and four months later Danny files for a divorce. And some of the defenders are trying to say that this wasn't a set up? I don't understand how all of these events transpired in a four month period. Seems odd, but that is just me.

Ok, here we may disagree...

Perhaps.. and I know some of the details here, but not all, but you know what? 4 mos isn't beyond comprehension to me. I was married for 20 years, and it only took one minute for me to discover that I had grounds for divorce. My children had to tell me, as my husband said he was finding himself in order to be the husband and father he should be and needed time, I gave him that, until he showed up at a family gathering that I was asked to not attend by his family members due to him not being ready and not able to face me yet. Christmas, I stayed home while my children went. He showed up with another woman, and broke their hearts,and they had to tell me.  My husband, told me he didn't want a divorce as he still loved me, he said that while living with that other woman, and he continued to be with her while stalking me, and he even contested our divorce. But, how much time did I need? From our separation, to my decision to file for a divorce, it was one month...

These things happen. It isn't how much time, but what happened in that time, and why, and what, and how,  which are the problem, imo.
I also know of people who have been divorced in less time than four months.  However, my point is that I believe if people are  really wanting their marriage to work, as it appears that they both (Danny and Linda) wanted, seeing that they persued marriage counseling, it would have taken longer. You are correct, I do not have much information on this, so I'm not going to pretend that I do. 
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #171 on: July 06, 2010, 10:42:22 AM »

The Dream
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Who put the wheels in motion for the removal of the Vice President of 3ABN? It was obviously not the 3ABN Board of Directors, they would not meet until May 30, 2004. During this time period an “investigative committee” was formed by Dr. Walt Thompson to find a solution for the “Linda problem” , but they would not have the authority needed to initiate such costly and permanent actions in removing Linda from all programming without a consensus of the full Board to back up such a radical and irreversible decision. Also, why did Walt Thompson specifically direct Linda out of Southern Illinois, at 3ABN donors expense, while the “investigative committee” was meeting and  when the full 3ABN board would meet at the end of May and most would be attending 3ABN camp meeting? Why did Danny request that Linda not be in attendance at this same camp meeting? At this point it becomes evident that the action by the Board to fire Linda Shelton—without giving Linda an opportunity to address the full Board in session—was little more than a “rubber stamp” for a decision that had already been irreversibly placed in motion, with  the execution of these policies beginning more than one month prior to their meeting at the end of May, 2004. When the mandate was made to eradicate all signs of Linda from 3ABN programming , Danny Shelton alone had the authority to make the decision and to set the timetable for its completion. In this light, how can any statements he made after April, confessing his love for Linda and his desire to reconcile with her, be considered little more than a smoke screen to hide his true intent?

Reflecting from our timetable above we know that at the end of April instructions were given to the 3ABN production department for the removal of all programming that included Linda, with a completion date of June 1, 2004. Taking into consideration the fact that Linda was suspended from her position as head of 3ABN programming for the months of April and May, and that during this time she was forbidden access to her work computer and not allowed access to the 3ABN compound without an escort and additionally, all employees were ordered not to speak with her; the obvious conclusion is that Danny had already actively  expedited his plan for the complete removal of Linda’s presence on 3ABN and was hiding his true intent from her.  To insure this intent was throughly hidden, Dr. Walter Thompson, claiming the authority of the Board, instructs Linda to leave Southern Illinois at the donors expense. Does this action imply duplicity on the part of Danny's long time associate in the apparent scheme to remove Linda? In light of these facts why was an “investigative committee” formed to seek a solution? Or was it in actuality, little more than a group of spin doctors brought together to formulate a scenario to convince the full Board to ratify what was already put into motion in April by Danny Shelton and intended to be fully accomplished by the date of the board meeting with only their approval left to finalize the process?


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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #172 on: July 06, 2010, 11:07:49 AM »

Who were the members of the "investigative judgment committee"?
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Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
« Reply #173 on: July 06, 2010, 04:04:04 PM »

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[Original Message]
From: Brenda Walsh <brendawalsh@*****>
Cc: Nick Miller <nmiller@******>; Walt Thompson
<walttmd@*****>; Danny Shelton <danshelton@******>
To: Linda Shelton <******>

Date: 2/9/2005 11:57:28 AM
Subject: Letter from BRENDA WALSH

February 9, 2005



Dear Linda,

I am writing to you because I would like you to hear the truth about some misconceptions you may have regarding my marriage to Tim. I received a call from someone who spoke with you personally, and they said that you specifically told them that Tim and I are divorced and that Danny and I were having an affair.

Here is the truth:

1. Tim and I are happily married and we are definitely NOT divorced nor are we planning a divorce. We have a loving Christ centered home and we love each other very much. We believe that God brought us together and we plan to be together till death do us part or until Jesus comes….whichever come first.

2. Your ex-husband, Danny Shelton and I have never had an affair nor are we thinking about having an affair, not in the past, present or future! I would be willing to swear in a court of law, that I have NOT had an affair with Danny or anyone else. The only person Danny has ever talked about loving was you, and I don’t believe that he has had an affair with anyone! I believe he was faithful to you the entire time you were married, both in a physical and spiritual sense.

3. As you know, Danny and I have known each other all our lives and he is like a brother to me. My mom and dad think of him as one of their sons. The ONLY man that I have romantic feelings for is my husband Tim.


I hope this sets the record straight. Now that you know the truth, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from spreading lies and rumors. Linda I love you very much and I cherish many warm and happy memories of our times spent together. We once shared a special friendship and it hurts me to think that you could even possibly think that I would be involved with your husband! Nothing could be farther from the truth! Someday I hope you will realize that I am not your enemy. I wish you only the best and I pray that someday soon when Jesus comes in the clouds of glory, that we will be neighbors together in heaven.

May God bless you,

Your sister in Christ,

Brenda

That's fine. Brenda is willing to swear in a court of law. But what good would that really do?

Under cross-examination, it could be shown that Brenda Walsh maliciously and blatantly lied against and slandered Linda Shelton when she falsely claimed that Linda bought plane tickets to Florida against Linda's wishes, and that Linda's ticket was used. In reality, Brenda reserved the tickets and instructed Dee Hilderbrand/3ABN to buy the tickets, and Delta Airlines says that Linda's ticket was never used.

In other words, Brenda's sworn testimony can be impeached because it can be proven that she is a liar.
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« Reply #174 on: July 06, 2010, 04:06:18 PM »

How can one belive this letter of Brenda when she lied about the tickets to Florida?

Brenda didn't lie about the tickets. Tinka is repeating a lie about Brenda.

Where you been? Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, and Delta Airlines said it wasn't used. Are you accusing Delta Airlines of lying?
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« Reply #175 on: July 06, 2010, 04:11:18 PM »

However, in doing so, the remarriage of Danny to Brandy should be off the table.  It took place.  The SDA Church made a decision about that.  This subject should be finished.  Some things just have to be left to God and this is one of them.

Frankly, I believe that the number of SDA ministers who would say that this should be off the table at this point in time is the vast majority.

I do not recall any decision by the denomination regarding Danny Shelton's third marriage. If he did not have biblical grounds, then I do not see any reason why he could not or should not be yet subject to church discipline. Particularly would this be the case if he secured a favorable decision from the denomination by fraud.
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« Reply #176 on: July 06, 2010, 04:21:49 PM »

Where you been Defender, The claim is that Linda did go by DS and Brenda bought the ticket. What's wrong with your perception. They argue all the ways she went without anyone knowing.
Here is the double talk again. You can't keep up with yourself.

Tinka is confused and replying to the wrong person.

According to my understanding though, the claim was always that Linda took the trip at a later time as the first one planned with Brenda and the Doctor (easter week/spring vacation) had to be canceled when Danny found out.( Thus the Doctor was with Johann and his wife instead). The further claim was that Linda went later (that she was gone without explanation to Danny and job) but that while she was gone her mother called and left a message on the answering machine referring to a conversation she had with her, and to Linda being in Florida.

Do I have evidence to support this? No. My purpose in writing this is just to correct what Tinka wrote as it is incorrect.

The claim was always that? How come I don't remember ever hearing this before? Are you sure someone didn't concoct this for the first time after the Delta Airlines letter contradicted Brenda Walsh's slander?

Put a date on it: When did Linda go to Florida? Give us the date of the alleged later trip.
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« Reply #177 on: July 06, 2010, 04:38:40 PM »

My understanding, FWIW,  is that Linda and Danny both agreed to the divorce and agreed Danny would file for the divorce and that Linda would file for the division of marital assets which they hadn't already agreed to and resolved after that.

I have seen no evidence that both agreed that Linda would file for the division of marital assets. Danny repeatedly tried to get Linda to divide that assets without filing a case, from what I recall.
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« Reply #178 on: July 06, 2010, 04:59:25 PM »

How could Walt Thompson MAKE Linda leave the state? I mean she is a USA citizen and she can do as she pleases. She was not a felon, so she could come and go as she liked- Danny could not make her do anything- this is totally rediculous. :horse:
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« Reply #179 on: July 06, 2010, 07:11:00 PM »

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In a period of less than four months, from the time that she visits her son in the Norwegian Clinic, Linda would experience the murder of her reputation through a highly orchestrated campaign of half truths, lies and innuendo. This would result in the loss of her marriage, ministry,  credibility, potential employment, and everything else she valued. For nineteen years she had been Vice President and co-founder of a worldwide Christian television network, whose motto was “mending broken people”, but in a few brief months Linda Shelton would be unceremoniously put out with the trash. It didn’t matter that she had never committed adultery. The false accusation of adultery was never the genuine reason for her removal from their ministry and marriage—although it would become a convenient hook from which to hang Linda. Additionally it was the only grounds for divorce that would furnish Danny with a Biblical basis to remarry, without threatening his position as the President of a Christian ministry. A brief telephone call from a member of the subcommittee  assigned to look into the situation between Danny and Linda, would confirm this fact. She told Linda, “The Board doesn’t care about you and Danny’s personal problems...  All the Board cares about is that the president no longer wants his vice-president.” The fact that the president no longer wanted his vice-president, not the false accusations of adultery, was the real reason for Linda’s dismissal from 3ABN according to Dr. Kay Kuzma. After Linda’s removal, Dr. Kuzma would become the head of the book publishing division of 3ABN.




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