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Sabbath-breaking by another 3ABN Board Member
« on: October 24, 2008, 12:34:33 AM »

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On the heels of blatant Sabbath-breaking by 3ABN board member “Dr.” Wintley Phipps, comes the latest news that yet another 3ABN board member is engaging in Sabbath-breaking, as well as various other activities which are in direct contravention to the beliefs and mission of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Ellsworth Mckee, 3ABN board member and Chairman of the Board of McKee Foods (Little Debbie Snacks) is the responsible party. He also serves on the board of ASI whose byline is "Sharing Christ in the Marketplace."

Sabbath-breaking
Little Debbie sponsors a NASCAR motor racing team.
Much has been made over the fact that apparently, Little Debbie covers their ad decals on the car on Sabbath. But one cannot overlook the fact that they are a major sponsor and are paying money to support this race team---and this team races on the Sabbath! But lo! What’s this? www.littledebbie.com/about/DarlingtonReport.asp. It’s just one of many race reports from 3ABN Board Member McKee’s Little Debbie Racing website. And the report goes into great detail of how the race went that Sabbath day, and it even advertises when the next race will be the following Sabbath. How does this fit in with Sharing Christ in the Marketplace? How is this counteracting the counterfeit?

But the SDA position is clear:
      Jesus, the Lifegiver, who has paid the ransom of his own life for the life of the world, looks upon these wild scenes; and bending down he says, "If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace!" Gisborne, New Zealand, is one of the places where scenes like that I have described take place. The people of this town are now waiting for their turn at the races, and they look forward to the day of the race as if some great blessing were then to be bestowed upon them. Thousands upon thousands of pounds of money are expended every year on horse-races and games of a wilder variety. The panic of desire is so contagious that even church-members, professed Christians, are carried away with the excitement, and give countenance to the races by presenting themselves as spectators. If they do not bet on the races, they are still one with the transactors in spirit, and their doings are registered and condemned in the courts of heaven. They are reckoned among the godless company, and must give an account to God for their wasted time and money.Review and Herald 1894-03-06 Emphasis mine.

Worldy Associations
I noted this send-in offer for novels on the back of a Little Debbie product at the grocer’s:
 “Young readers can experience the wonder of timeless stories from an early age. Each hardbound classic is filled with all the magic and excitement that made the original story a beloved masterpiece. The titles are: Heidi, Tom Sawyer, Black Beauty, The Secret Garden, and Treasure Island.” [Black Beauty is notable in that it is the autobiography of a horse].

But the SDA church teaches that:
“Novel and storybook reading are the greatest evils in which youth can indulge. Novel and love-story readers always fail to make good, practical mothers. They are air-castle builders, living in an unreal, an imaginary world. They become sentimental and have sick fancies. Their artificial life spoils them for anything useful. They are dwarfed in intellect, although they may flatter themselves that they are superior in mind and manners“. 3T 151

How is this Sharing Christ in the Marketplace? Or, better yet, how is this spreading the message of the 3 Angels? How does pushing such fiction upon young folk counteract the counterfeit Mr. McKee? It doesn't!!

More worldly associations and business practices
Additionally, there’s the hawking of the product using things like Hollywood celebrities (www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHSndtw2Xxw), admiration for Santa Claus (www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWyRoWMjsc0), and, of course, the abomination of a talking koala bear (www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBmCAG5uRg). Sharing Christ in the Marketplace? Indeed, McKee Foods spends millions of dollars on TV ads pushing its various products. The dollars spent on advertising directly support the production of the worldly TV shows aired. Is this also Sharing Christ in the Marketplace?

Snacking
But what of the core business of McKee Foods and Little Debbie, that of being the number one snack cake in the US? What’s wrong with that?
The Random House Unadbriged Dictionary defines a snack thusly: a small portion of food or drink or a light meal, esp. one eaten between regular meals.

But the SDA church teaches that:
      “I am astonished to learn that, after all the light that has been given in this place, many of you eat between meals! You should never let a morsel pass your lips between your regular meals. Eat what you ought, but eat it at one meal, and then wait until the next.” 2T.373

The refusal to follow church teaching leads 3ABN board member McKee to engage in the following predatory marketing practices which are intended
“…to go after young men who are known to be notorious snackers and impulse buyers, and always on the go," said Barry Anthony, director-marketing for McKee.”
www.allbusiness.com/marketing-advertising/branding-brand-development/4676476-1.html

Politics
And what of 3ABN board member Ellsworth McKee and his delving into the political world?
www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/ellsworth-mckee.asp?cycle=06

Again, the SDA church is clear:
      “The Lord would have His people bury political questions. On these themes silence is eloquence. Christ calls upon His followers to come into unity on the pure gospel principles which are plainly revealed in the word of God. We cannot with safety vote for political parties; for we do not know whom we are voting for. We cannot with safety take part in any political scheme……...  What are we to do, then?--Let political questions alone. "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"[2 COR. 6:14, 15.] What can there be in common between these parties? There can be no fellowship, no communion.” Gospel Workers p.391-2

Summary
The question rages: Does Ellsworth McKee know what the Three Angels Message is that he supports at 3ABN? Did he not read the November issue of 3ABN World which talks of giving the Undiluted Message?

It’s a sad statement that we have a supposedly SDA company, which is owned by a prominent member of the 3ABN board, selling $1 Billion worth of junk food each year in direct opposition to what Jesus testified. And no amount of donations by Mckee to missions, 3ABN or SDA health centers can assuage the guilt this kind of conduct incurs.

We should be teaching health reform, not deform. How long 3ABN board member Ellsworth McKee will continue to defy the many clear teachings on the Sabbath and health which are broadcast by 3ABN itself and the SDA church, remains to be seen. When will he start to Share Christ in the Marketplace.?

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p.s. Even so, let's just hope that Sabbath-breaking is not now pandemic amongst members of 3ABN's board.

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Re: Sabbath-breaking by another 3ABN Board Member
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 03:50:32 AM »

Not that any of the theological outrage matters to me, but I guess that McKee Bakeries would likely point out that a significant percentage of their revenues goes into sponsoring students through Adventist schools, and support for many Adventist outreach and educational projects, and wherever money comes from, it all spends the same. The matters you mention seem to all be issues of theological question as opposed to the questions of criminal activities and the problems with maliciously harming and lying about themselves and others people, that have plagued 3ABN. The only issue I would have with Ellsworth would stem from any support he might have given to the harming of people that 3ABN has done.
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Re: Sabbath-breaking by another 3ABN Board Member
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2008, 08:40:26 AM »

It just makes me sick to my stomach to think that a Christian would post such garbage.

If this is the kind of church that the Seventh day Adventist Church is ...

I want NO part of it. I would run as far away from a church that would promote such hate filled and judgmental words.

Just Sick. These SDAs are doing a good work and you want to tear them down because you have judged that they are not perfect enough according to YOUR standards.

Sick. Just sick.

And you claim to be an SDA minister? Look. I know ministers. I've met SDA ministers. And sir ... You ain't no SDA minister.
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Re: Sabbath-breaking by another 3ABN Board Member
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2008, 08:58:19 AM »

McKee
On the heels of blatant Sabbath-breaking by 3ABN board member “Dr.” Wintley Phipps, comes the latest news that yet another 3ABN board member is engaging in Sabbath-breaking, as well as various other activities which are in direct contravention to the beliefs and mission of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Ellsworth Mckee, 3ABN board member and Chairman of the Board of McKee Foods (Little Debbie Snacks) is the responsible party. He also serves on the board of ASI whose byline is "Sharing Christ in the Marketplace."

Sabbath-breaking
Little Debbie sponsors a NASCAR motor racing team.
Much has been made over the fact that apparently, Little Debbie covers their ad decals on the car on Sabbath. But one cannot overlook the fact that they are a major sponsor and are paying money to support this race team---and this team races on the Sabbath! But lo! What’s this? www.littledebbie.com/about/DarlingtonReport.asp. It’s just one of many race reports from 3ABN Board Member McKee’s Little Debbie Racing website. And the report goes into great detail of how the race went that Sabbath day, and it even advertises when the next race will be the following Sabbath. How does this fit in with Sharing Christ in the Marketplace? How is this counteracting the counterfeit?

But the SDA position is clear:
      Jesus, the Lifegiver, who has paid the ransom of his own life for the life of the world, looks upon these wild scenes; and bending down he says, "If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace!" Gisborne, New Zealand, is one of the places where scenes like that I have described take place. The people of this town are now waiting for their turn at the races, and they look forward to the day of the race as if some great blessing were then to be bestowed upon them. Thousands upon thousands of pounds of money are expended every year on horse-races and games of a wilder variety. The panic of desire is so contagious that even church-members, professed Christians, are carried away with the excitement, and give countenance to the races by presenting themselves as spectators. If they do not bet on the races, they are still one with the transactors in spirit, and their doings are registered and condemned in the courts of heaven. They are reckoned among the godless company, and must give an account to God for their wasted time and money.Review and Herald 1894-03-06 Emphasis mine.

Worldy Associations
I noted this send-in offer for novels on the back of a Little Debbie product at the grocer’s:
 “Young readers can experience the wonder of timeless stories from an early age. Each hardbound classic is filled with all the magic and excitement that made the original story a beloved masterpiece. The titles are: Heidi, Tom Sawyer, Black Beauty, The Secret Garden, and Treasure Island.” [Black Beauty is notable in that it is the autobiography of a horse].

But the SDA church teaches that:
“Novel and storybook reading are the greatest evils in which youth can indulge. Novel and love-story readers always fail to make good, practical mothers. They are air-castle builders, living in an unreal, an imaginary world. They become sentimental and have sick fancies. Their artificial life spoils them for anything useful. They are dwarfed in intellect, although they may flatter themselves that they are superior in mind and manners“. 3T 151

How is this Sharing Christ in the Marketplace? Or, better yet, how is this spreading the message of the 3 Angels? How does pushing such fiction upon young folk counteract the counterfeit Mr. McKee? It doesn't!!

More worldly associations and business practices
Additionally, there’s the hawking of the product using things like Hollywood celebrities (www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHSndtw2Xxw), admiration for Santa Claus (www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWyRoWMjsc0), and, of course, the abomination of a talking koala bear (www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBmCAG5uRg). Sharing Christ in the Marketplace? Indeed, McKee Foods spends millions of dollars on TV ads pushing its various products. The dollars spent on advertising directly support the production of the worldly TV shows aired. Is this also Sharing Christ in the Marketplace?

Snacking
But what of the core business of McKee Foods and Little Debbie, that of being the number one snack cake in the US? What’s wrong with that?
The Random House Unadbriged Dictionary defines a snack thusly: a small portion of food or drink or a light meal, esp. one eaten between regular meals.

But the SDA church teaches that:
      “I am astonished to learn that, after all the light that has been given in this place, many of you eat between meals! You should never let a morsel pass your lips between your regular meals. Eat what you ought, but eat it at one meal, and then wait until the next.” 2T.373

The refusal to follow church teaching leads 3ABN board member McKee to engage in the following predatory marketing practices which are intended
“…to go after young men who are known to be notorious snackers and impulse buyers, and always on the go," said Barry Anthony, director-marketing for McKee.”
www.allbusiness.com/marketing-advertising/branding-brand-development/4676476-1.html

Politics
And what of 3ABN board member Ellsworth McKee and his delving into the political world?
www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/ellsworth-mckee.asp?cycle=06

Again, the SDA church is clear:
      “The Lord would have His people bury political questions. On these themes silence is eloquence. Christ calls upon His followers to come into unity on the pure gospel principles which are plainly revealed in the word of God. We cannot with safety vote for political parties; for we do not know whom we are voting for. We cannot with safety take part in any political scheme……...  What are we to do, then?--Let political questions alone. "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"[2 COR. 6:14, 15.] What can there be in common between these parties? There can be no fellowship, no communion.” Gospel Workers p.391-2

Summary
The question rages: Does Ellsworth McKee know what the Three Angels Message is that he supports at 3ABN? Did he not read the November issue of 3ABN World which talks of giving the Undiluted Message?

It’s a sad statement that we have a supposedly SDA company, which is owned by a prominent member of the 3ABN board, selling $1 Billion worth of junk food each year in direct opposition to what Jesus testified. And no amount of donations by Mckee to missions, 3ABN or SDA health centers can assuage the guilt this kind of conduct incurs.

We should be teaching health reform, not deform. How long 3ABN board member Ellsworth McKee will continue to defy the many clear teachings on the Sabbath and health which are broadcast by 3ABN itself and the SDA church, remains to be seen. When will he start to Share Christ in the Marketplace.?

SDAminister
p.s. Even so, let's just hope that Sabbath-breaking is not now pandemic amongst members of 3ABN's board.



This sounds very familiar....lets see it was about someone breaking the Sabbath by picking the wheat as they went through the field........who was that.......

 :huh:
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Re: Sabbath-breaking by another 3ABN Board Member
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2008, 09:12:04 AM »


This sounds very familiar....lets see it was about someone breaking the Sabbath by picking the wheat as they went through the field........who was that.......

 :huh: 

I believe those that were accused were the same disciples who later became the founders of the Christian church, under their Master of course.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2008, 09:31:43 AM »

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McKee
On the heels of blatant Sabbath-breaking by 3ABN board member “Dr.” Wintley Phipps, comes the latest news that yet another 3ABN board member is engaging in Sabbath-breaking, as well as various other activities which are in direct contravention to the beliefs and mission of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Ellsworth Mckee, 3ABN board member and Chairman of the Board of McKee Foods (Little Debbie Snacks) is the responsible party. He also serves on the board of ASI whose byline is "Sharing Christ in the Marketplace."


And what of 3ABN board member Ellsworth McKee and his delving into the political world?
www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/ellsworth-mckee.asp?cycle=06


There just no telling where those "Little Debbie's can lead" Disgraceful,Maybe their membership in the SDA church be looked into.

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Again, the SDA church is clear:
      “The Lord would have His people bury political questions. On these themes silence is eloquence. Christ calls upon His followers to come into unity on the pure gospel principles which are plainly revealed in the word of God. We cannot with safety vote for political parties; for we do not know whom we are voting for. We cannot with safety take part in any political scheme……...  What are we to do, then?--Let political questions alone. "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"[2 COR. 6:14, 15.] What can there be in common between these parties? There can be no fellowship, no communion.” Gospel Workers p.391-2

Summary
The question rages: Does Ellsworth McKee know what the Three Angels Message is that he supports at 3ABN? Did he not read the November issue of 3ABN World which talks of giving the Undiluted Message?

It’s a sad statement that we have a supposedly SDA company, which is owned by a prominent member of the 3ABN board, selling $1 Billion worth of junk food each year in direct opposition to what Jesus testified. And no amount of donations by Mckee to missions, 3ABN or SDA health centers can assuage the guilt this kind of conduct incurs.

We should be teaching health reform, not deform. How long 3ABN board member Ellsworth McKee will continue to defy the many clear teachings on the Sabbath and health which are broadcast by 3ABN itself and the SDA church, remains to be seen. When will he start to Share Christ in the Marketplace.?

SDAminister
p.s. Even so, let's just hope that Sabbath-breaking is not now pandemic amongst members of 3ABN's board.



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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2008, 10:05:19 AM »

It just makes me sick to my stomach to think that a Christian would post such garbage.

If this is the kind of church that the Seventh day Adventist Church is ...

I want NO part of it. I would run as far away from a church that would promote such hate filled and judgmental words.

Just Sick. These SDAs are doing a good work and you want to tear them down because you have judged that they are not perfect enough according to YOUR standards.

Sick. Just sick.

And you claim to be an SDA minister? Look. I know ministers. I've met SDA ministers. And sir ... You ain't no SDA minister.

Can you spell SDA Pharisee?

I have no doubt that Bob and Gailon have their backers both at GC and those with deep pockets that like to be players in this mess.  They are naive if they think this dynamic duo would not turn on them in a heart beat if they stopped playing nice. But one can only wonder how much support Bob and Gailon will continue to get with this kind of self righteous mean spirited pablum and if they insist on continuing the lawsuit after all the whining about being sued.


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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2008, 12:10:58 PM »

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This sounds very familiar....lets see it was about someone breaking the Sabbath by picking the wheat as they went through the field........who was that.......

I believe that was Jesus himself, but then bless his heart, he was only living up to the light he had at his time. He didn't have the benefit of the Spirit of Prophecy as written by the Servant of The Lord, nor did he have the end-time truths that we have been given through. We are a special people with a unique message that didn't exist back then. He even ate flesh foods, bless his poor little non-Adventist heart.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 01:02:55 PM »

I think what the disciples were doing in the field and what SDA Minister posted about are two completely different and opposite can of worms, and I think we all know it.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2008, 01:32:50 PM »

So Daryl, what do you think about what SDA Minister has posted.  Do you agree that this is what the SDA church is all about and the image it should be presenting to other Christians? 

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2008, 03:22:28 PM »

One thing for certain the SDA church is about upholding the Sabbath and its required observance as stated in the 4th Commandment.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2008, 03:36:37 PM »

That was not my question Daryl.  Do you agree with the position taken by SDA Minister and his POV as expressed in his opening paragraph.  Do you think the view expressed by SDA Minister is what your church wants presented to the world on how the church views Sabbath observance?
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2008, 03:43:09 PM »

One thing for certain the SDA church is about upholding the Sabbath and its required observance as stated in the 4th Commandment.

That may be, but 3ABN is not Seventh-day Adventist (as per their statement in the lawsuit against Gailon and Bob) and are not bound by the Church's requirements or observances. That would probably mean that their board members are not either. The details of Sabbath observance are mostly subject to interpretation, so if the McKees interpret differently from any number of SDAs and SDA organizations, that is no different than the millions of other SDAs who deal with the Sabbath according to personal, cultural, family, historic or other interpretations. 3ABN has some big problems, but in my book, that is not one of them.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2008, 03:48:35 PM »

From reading the EGW quotes posted there, it is obviously a part of what the SDA Church is about.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2008, 03:50:28 PM »

If they are members of the SDA Church, then they are responsible to live up to the standards of the SDA Church, but better still, if they are Christians, then even more so to live up to the standards that God set Himself.
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