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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Artiste on May 03, 2010, 09:13:00 PM
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From Wikipedia:
As indicated by the Supreme Court of the United States, “In order to aid and abet another to commit a crime it is necessary that a defendant 'in some sort associate himself with the venture, that he participate in it as in something that he wishes to bring about, that he seek by his action to make it succeed.” Nye & Nissen v. United States, 336 U.S. 613, 618 (1949) quoting Judge Learned Hand in U.S. v. Peoni 100 F.2d 401, 402 (2d. Cir. 1938).
In the toxic and permissive atmosphere fostered in the 3ABN environs by its leadership, a known homosexual child molester was given a position in 3ABN and involved in children's' programming, which was then televised to an unsuspecting Adventist public.
The public was encouraged to give donations.
When the warning was given to Seventh-day Adventist church leadership, a few halfhearted attempts were made to distance themselves from the media entity, but then a cosmetic change in 3ABN's face appeared to appease SDA leaders, and they continued their mutually beneficial relationship which allowed them to appear in public on TV.
3ABN now trumpets on its website the close involvement it has with the Seventh-day Adventist church by offering 3ABN Study Bibles with Ellen White Comments.
Meanwhile the inevitable occurred, and as a result the child molester is shortly to face some of his accusers in court. His brother, the revered founder of 3ABN, soon to be featured in a 3ABN-produced documentary delineating the miracles that flowed his way during the founding of 3ABN, apparently will be in court to defend him.
The Seventh-day Adventist church, by its silence, is complicit in allowing unacceptable and criminal behavior, along with its cover-up, at 3ABN.
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You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
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You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
Good Lord, Junebug are you off your rocker? You say that Artiste has no proof? Well, Junebug where is your proof that Tommy is not a pedophile nor a child molestor? In all reality, Artiste has more proof then you do! Talk to a victim sometime and tell me that isn't proof. Unbelievable.
Note: Edited to fix my grammer errors :)
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You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
Have you considered the idea you could be wrong? You should. You have put a lot on the idea that you know something with so much certainty. Do you really want to find yourself on the side of a pedophile? Seriously? Keep an open mind.
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You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
Have you considered the idea you could be wrong? You should. You have put a lot on the idea that you know something with so much certainty. Do you really want to find yourself on the side of a pedophile? Seriously? Keep an open mind.
:TY: :goodpost:
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You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
You know, Junebug, I have had enough of this. It's because of people like you that abusers commit their crimes over and over again. You sit there on your pompous rear and declare that to be a fact when you have NO proof of it being the case. Until you know what you're talking about, you'd be best advised to keep your mouth shut. I've had it with you and the whole wad of others who keep spreading this filth. Who do you think you are to be calling all the victims liars? You are nothing but a spineless coward, and are no better than a child molestor yourself.
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You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
You know, Junebug, I have had enough of this. It's because of people like you that abusers commit their crimes over and over again. You sit there on your pompous rear and declare that to be a fact when you have NO proof of it being the case. Until you know what you're talking about, you'd be best advised to keep your mouth shut. I've had it with you and the whole wad of others who keep spreading this filth. Who do you think you are to be calling all the victims liars? You are nothing but a spineless coward, and are no better than a child molestor yourself.
Well said, Duane. :goodpost:
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation.
"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation.
"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
Junebug, if you think that means squat, look at it this way - Jesus WAS convicted of a crime he DID not do - no evidence yet he was convicted.
Obviously, you don't know anyone in your life that got away with something wrong...both things happen all the time - someone gets off who is guilty, someone goes to jail that is not guilty. What you said means absolutely NOTHING where truth is concerned. And, if you want to take the time, go look at cases where there was conviction, and see how some of those cases played out....in jail for a short time (hand slap) and as soon as they were out, they did it again, because when it comes to pedophilia, it isn't just a error in judgment, it's a sickness. No one deals with the sickness - and why? Too busy treating it like a regular crime. It's far from regular, and you ought to look a little deeper in to it before you pretend to know anything.
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation.
"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
He is still guilty! There are statements from victims! He has been arrested and charged, and is soon to be on trial! What is your problem?
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation.
"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
He is still guilty! There are statements from victims! He has been arrested and charged, and is soon to be on trial! What is your problem?
There will always be people who live to defend something they think is their salvation, everything is hinged on that one thing in their life, if it were to fall apart, if they were to see it for what it really was/is, THEY could not handle it, that is based in fear and insecurity. It's a problem for many when they invest to heavily. mentally, spiritually and monetarily in something and do not want to be wrong or disappointed. The sad part really is, that TRUTH means nothing when it comes to all those human emotions and fixes they need - and that's why "denial" is such a huge human weakness. God would use that knowledge and grow them past that type of "worship" of some thing, if they would follow His example and examine all things. Now, toss in pride and you are good to go - you may never open your eyes long enough to see truth and then allow it to make you a stronger and better person, let alone christian professing every day to the world the importance of truth and the fact that it's all that matters. Sort of a clash going on there I'd say.
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation.
"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
He is still guilty! There are statements from victims! He has been arrested and charged, and is soon to be on trial! What is your problem?
There will always be people who live to defend something they think is their salvation, everything is hinged on that one thing in their life, if it were to fall apart, if they were to see it for what it really was/is, THEY could not handle it, that is based in fear and insecurity. It's a problem for many when they invest to heavily. mentally, spiritually and monetarily in something and do not want to be wrong or disappointed. The sad part really is, that TRUTH means nothing when it comes to all those human emotions and fixes they need - and that's why "denial" is such a huge human weakness. God would use that knowledge and grow them past that type of "worship" of some thing, if they would follow His example and examine all things. Now, toss in pride and you are good to go - you may never open your eyes long enough to see truth and then allow it to make you a stronger and better person, let alone christian professing every day to the world the importance of truth and the fact that it's all that matters. Sort of a clash going on there I'd say.
Not to mention the inability to comprehend simple facts, and a disdain for anyone who DARES expose sin. I'm tired of it. If these people want to keep spreading this garbage, they're gonna get called on it every time. And doing it anonymously, too. How spineless can you get?
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The problem with this, Junebug is that the police also believe there is suffiecient evidence, enough to arrest him. Also, the state is sort of a lie of omission, and most definitely a sign of denial, is that he said he has not been convicted in a court of law........the ommission was yet. He is in the process as we speak.
I am not sure why you all are acting like this is a bunch of people just talking out the side of their neck. He has been arrested and charged with this crime by the proper authrities.
You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
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Obviously, you don't know anyone in your life that got away with something wrong...
Maybe Junebug does know of such folks after all.
Junebug, do the parents of your students know of your persistence in defending an alleged pedophile, even to the point of refusing to say that even if a minor was consenting, that makes no difference?
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On October 13, 2007, Walt Thompson wrote:
Not long after Linda's departure rumors began circulating around the world by every imaginable means, all of which have had a negative effect upon the ministry. This took on a whole renewed vigor about a year ago when I was told of a man who was about to release a barrage of anti 3abn allegations to church leaders and churches and the public all around the world. Upon learning of this intent, I called the man and spoke for about an hour with him explaining 3abn's position. At the end of the conversation, he continued to tell me that 3abn was wrong, and that he was convinced that the information he had was the truth and that he was deternimed to tell it to the world. He further told me that if the leadership of the church came to 3abn's defense, he would attack them and lay open their sins before the world. Not long after that another man joined in making serious allegations about 3abn employees , determined that we were covering sins, and demanding that we acknowledge them. The attacks by these and others have had a very detrimental effect upon the ministry. When the leaders of the General Conference began to accept the false allegations from these, our accusers, without coming to us to find out the truth of the matters, and decided not to work with 3abn any more until we proved to them that we were in the right, we decided it was time to stand up and defend the ministry that donors like yourself have sacrificed to create, but which was now being threated with extinction . We had sought resolution with our enemies. We next went to ASI seeking their help in discovering truth about the matter. Our opposition then refused to cooperate with ASI attempts to develop a procedure for examining the facts on both sides. The Church had already refused to get involved. Where else does one go for understanding and reconcilliation? It was about this time that we decided to go to the courts of the land in defense, not for our own reputation, or seeking monetary benefit, but to protect this ministry. God has told us in the Bible that He would fight for us as He promised ancient Israel. It is interesting that though He told the Israelites that He would fight for them, they still were required to arm and go into battle with Him.
From http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-127-2.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-127-2.pdf).
Thus, according to Walt, 3ABN sued us because church leaders were taking action.
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On October 13, 2007, Walt Thompson wrote:
The Church had already refused to get involved.
A telling statement, and it appears that the Church still declines to be involved.
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I think that statement means that church officials were refusing to become involved by vindicating 3ABN. Walt also stated:
When the leaders of the General Conference began to accept the false allegations from these, our accusers, without coming to us to find out the truth of the matters, and decided not to work with 3abn any more until we proved to them that we were in the right ....
That's the part that stood out to me.
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I think that statement means that church officials were refusing to become involved by vindicating 3ABN. Walt also stated:
When the leaders of the General Conference began to accept the false allegations from these, our accusers, without coming to us to find out the truth of the matters, and decided not to work with 3abn any more until we proved to them that we were in the right ....
That's the part that stood out to me.
Clearly the church leaders have now decided that 3ABN "proved that they were in the right" since they appear to be working quite well with 3ABN presently.
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Do you think that has anything to do with their claim that the IRS found nothing wrong with 3ABN? And why, although 3ABN has submitted their 2008 990 to the IRS, has it not been posted at Guidestar? Has Guidestar not yet recieved a copy from the IRS? If not has the IRS approved the 2008 submission and just has not given it to Guidestar? If not, why not? According to Guidestar it takes approximately 2 months from the time an organization files its form with the IRS until it is posted on Guidestar. Isn't it overdue? There is information on how to contact Guidestar on their website.
http://www2.guidestar.org/rxg/contact-us/index.aspx
Or I suppose one could ask the IRS what the current status of 3ABN's 990 is.
If an organization doesn't file for 3 years, they lose their 501c3 status. I don't know what happens if an organization files 3 years in a row forms that are not acceptable to the IRS.
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Hmmmm, The judges better be on the right side of things if any thought of letting that predator go. This is one of Bill O'Reilly favorite things to go after when judges let them off the hook. Can anyone see how even a bigger mess this can be...publically. SDA's better be thinking about this one!!!
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Obviously, you don't know anyone in your life that got away with something wrong...
Maybe Junebug does know of such folks after all.
Junebug, do the parents of your students know of your persistence in defending an alleged pedophile, even to the point of refusing to say that even if a minor was consenting, that makes no difference?
Mr. Pickle, you are putting words in my mouth that I never said. You think you are threatening me, but it isn't working.
You are supposed to be a SDA christian right? Is this how christians treat others? Is this what the Bible has taught you? If so, then I have no interest in your religion.
If it were you being accused of pedophelia and child molestation BEFORE going to court and being tried and convicted, I'd say the same about you as I've said about Tommy Shelton. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Until a Judge says TS is guilty, he is innocent until PROVEN. Until a court proves TS guilty, I still stand by what I said.
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A feature film is currently being developed by the production companies Anonymous Content and Rocklin/Faust about the Catholic Church's cover-up of its pedophile priest scandal.
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Obviously, you don't know anyone in your life that got away with something wrong...
Maybe Junebug does know of such folks after all.
Junebug, do the parents of your students know of your persistence in defending an alleged pedophile, even to the point of refusing to say that even if a minor was consenting, that makes no difference?
Mr. Pickle, you are putting words in my mouth that I never said.
How so? You are persistently defending an alleged pedophile, even to the point of refusing to say that even if a minor was consenting, that makes no difference. Stating the facts does not put any words in your mouth.
You think you are threatening me, but it isn't working.
How so? Where was the threat?
You are supposed to be a SDA christian right? Is this how christians treat others? Is this what the Bible has taught you? If so, then I have no interest in your religion.
I would think every SDA Christian should be willing to defend the oppressed against evil, and to denounce the cover up of pedophilia allegations by Danny Shelton. I see nothing in the Bible that says we ought to help Danny cover up iniquity.
If it were you being accused of pedophelia and child molestation BEFORE going to court and being tried and convicted, I'd say the same about you as I've said about Tommy Shelton. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Until a Judge says TS is guilty, he is innocent until PROVEN.
If I left behind 20 alleged victims in multiple states who tell similar stories, and you dared defend me like you are defending Tommy, then I would hope I would have the guts to tell you that you are in denial.
Until a court proves TS guilty, I still stand by what I said.
Insurance companies will tell you that you are wrong. So will attorneys who deal with liability for pedophilia.
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A feature film is currently being developed by the production companies Anonymous Content and Rocklin/Faust about the Catholic Church's cover-up of its pedophile priest scandal.
But according to what I hear Junebug saying, there was never anything to cover up since all the priests were innocent until proven guilty. Just because they had molested lots of boys and even more girls doesn't mean that they were guilty, since they had never been convicted.
Right, Junebug? All the pedophile priests weren't really pedophiles since they had never been convicted, right? So there never was a cover up, right?
Again, Junebug, do the parents of your students know the ludicrous positions you have taken while trying to defend alleged pedophile Tommy Shelton?
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Mr. Pickle, you are putting words in my mouth that I never said. You think you are threatening me, but it isn't working.
You are supposed to be a SDA christian right? Is this how christians treat others? Is this what the Bible has taught you? If so, then I have no interest in your religion.
If it were you being accused of pedophelia and child molestation BEFORE going to court and being tried and convicted, I'd say the same about you as I've said about Tommy Shelton. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Until a Judge says TS is guilty, he is innocent until PROVEN. Until a court proves TS guilty, I still stand by what I said.
So you are basically calling all the victims who have come forward liars. I'll tell you, I take huge offense to that. Who are you to come in here and start calling people out? You don't have any proof Tommy is innocent, either. So, you have no right to say he is.
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So you are basically calling all the victims who have come forward liars.
From today's Los Angeles Times:
"People want to be believed, they want their truths to be know and validated," said Carlos Perez-Carillo, 44, who said he was molested by a consecrated brother who later became a priest.
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So you are basically calling all the victims who have come forward liars. I'll tell you, I take huge offense to that. Who are you to come in here and start calling people out?
Duane, think about it. Junebug can't be calling you a liar because you have to be innocent until proven guilty. Therefore you must be telling the truth, and Tommy must be a pedophile, according to Junebug's own reasoning.
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So you are basically calling all the victims who have come forward liars. I'll tell you, I take huge offense to that. Who are you to come in here and start calling people out?
Duane, think about it. Junebug can't be calling you a liar because you have to be innocent until proven guilty. Therefore you must be telling the truth, and Tommy must be a pedophile, according to Junebug's own reasoning.
:goodpost: Bob! Junebug, you can't have it both ways. Junebug is digging herself a huge hole, that she will soon have to lie in. If in fact Junebug did make that statement about a minor consenting; I think she is just as sick. Like Duane said she is no better than a child molestor herself.
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The IRS is not finished as yet. At least as of last week. This all began in January 2005. Are we having fun yet? Not me. How do we save our church from those leaders that are so evil. I was taught that honesty was the best policy. This whole thing has only revealed that my church as well as 3ABN is in big trouble. No action is action. May the Father save us in spite of ourselves! Please pray for me. This is really sent me reeling! Father, why?
Do you think that has anything to do with their claim that the IRS found nothing wrong with 3ABN? And why, although 3ABN has submitted their 2008 990 to the IRS, has it not been posted at Guidestar? Has Guidestar not yet recieved a copy from the IRS? If not has the IRS approved the 2008 submission and just has not given it to Guidestar? If not, why not? According to Guidestar it takes approximately 2 months from the time an organization files its form with the IRS until it is posted on Guidestar. Isn't it overdue? There is information on how to contact Guidestar on their website.
http://www2.guidestar.org/rxg/contact-us/index.aspx
Or I suppose one could ask the IRS what the current status of 3ABN's 990 is.
If an organization doesn't file for 3 years, they lose their 501c3 status. I don't know what happens if an organization files 3 years in a row forms that are not acceptable to the IRS.
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Not nice, Bob. You know, you alls thinly veiled threats never did sit well with me.
Yes, Junebug does seem to be backing the wrong horse in the race, but please just state facts. This "I know who you are", and "it might leak to the parents of your students" stuff is not at all Christ-like
Obviously, you don't know anyone in your life that got away with something wrong...
Maybe Junebug does know of such folks after all.
Junebug, do the parents of your students know of your persistence in defending an alleged pedophile, even to the point of refusing to say that even if a minor was consenting, that makes no difference?
Mr. Pickle, you are putting words in my mouth that I never said. You think you are threatening me, but it isn't working.
You are supposed to be a SDA christian right? Is this how christians treat others? Is this what the Bible has taught you? If so, then I have no interest in your religion.
If it were you being accused of pedophelia and child molestation BEFORE going to court and being tried and convicted, I'd say the same about you as I've said about Tommy Shelton. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Until a Judge says TS is guilty, he is innocent until PROVEN. Until a court proves TS guilty, I still stand by what I said.
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I see that Tommy Shelton is listed on musical programming at 3ABN on Tuesday, May 11, Kids Time Praise.
5:00 PM Kids Time Praise #60 (Love) - Adolfo Potts, Alicia Dent, Allison & Christopher Patchett, Emily Traversy, Hayley Mundall & Melody Shelton (Tommy Shelton), Isabel & Wen- Ting Ong, Kanley String Quartet, Lili Italiane, Mathew Smith
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And again on Thursday, May 13, with Danny Shelton.
5:00 PM Kids Time Praise #61 (Christian Joy) - Aaliah Carlos (Tommy Shelton), Alicia Dent (Brenda Walsh), Allen & Joel Nedley (George Guthrie), Appalachian Praise, Danny Shelton (Tommy Shelton), Dawn Alba & Nicole Delima (Peter Brown), Devon Hunt
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Ok, so at this point, this is just about not updating the schedule, right. Because he can't leave the state of VA, right?
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On Tuesday, May 25, Tommy appears to be accompanying a couple of boys and a girl on Kids Praise Time.
5:00 PM Kids Time Praise #64 (Our Creator God And His Creation) - Allison & Christopher Patchett, David Hollie, Dawn Alba (Peter Brown), Emily Traversy, Jaymes Carson, Josiah Partin (Tommy Shelton), Michael Patterson, Miriam Brutsche, Samantha Jacobson (Kathy Jacobs
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It is totally irresponsible for them to air programming with Tommy on it.
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It is totally irresponsible for them to air programming with Tommy on it.
Unfortunately, they seem to be including him in more Kids Time programming now than previously. Beyond the above three examples, there are even more following.
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It is totally irresponsible for them to air programming with Tommy on it.
Unfortunately, they seem to be including him in more Kids Time programming now than previously. Beyond the above three examples, there are even more following.
It almost seems like it's being done out of sheer spite.
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It does seem that way.
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Actually, Tommy was never forced to stay in Virginia, or be away from children under 15 as the search warrant lead on. Just so you all know, thought I would tell you.
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Well that's news!
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>>On Tuesday, May 25, Tommy appears to be accompanying a couple of boys and a girl on Kids Praise Time.>>
I am confused. My calender says that it is May 5 :help:
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That's not listed on the calendar on the 3ABN web site.
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>>On Tuesday, May 25, Tommy appears to be accompanying a couple of boys and a girl on Kids Praise Time.>>
I am confused. My calender says that it is May 5 :help:
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Maybe in another place...
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Not nice, Bob. You know, you alls thinly veiled threats never did sit well with me.
It wasn't a threat, thinly veiled or otherwise.
Yes, Junebug does seem to be backing the wrong horse in the race, but please just state facts. This "I know who you are", and "it might leak to the parents of your students" stuff is not at all Christ-like
You misunderstand. Remember, I've been accused by Danny clones of not properly reporting allegations of child molestation to the authorities.
So here I know of someone who is blindly defending an alleged pedophile to the point of refusing to say that if a minor "consents" that makes no difference, and to the point of saying the alleged predator never did anything wrong despite all the alleged victims that have popped up. So, if I know all this and do nothing to alert Junebug's student's parents, what then will the Danny clones say?
Junebug can help settle this once and for all. She can simply say that she thinks that if a minor "consents," it makes no difference. Sin is sin and crime is crime. And she can also retract her denial that Tommy did anything wrong, and simply, publicly adopt a wait and see attitude, if nothing else.
But if she refuses to do these simple things, one has to wonder about the propriety of her teaching any topic to kids. Would you want her teaching your kids if she refuses yet again to come down on the side of right on these matters?
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Not nice, Bob. You know, you alls thinly veiled threats never did sit well with me.
Yes, Junebug does seem to be backing the wrong horse in the race, but please just state facts. This "I know who you are", and "it might leak to the parents of your students" stuff is not at all Christ-like
Obviously, you don't know anyone in your life that got away with something wrong...
Maybe Junebug does know of such folks after all.
Junebug, do the parents of your students know of your persistence in defending an alleged pedophile, even to the point of refusing to say that even if a minor was consenting, that makes no difference?
Mr. Pickle, you are putting words in my mouth that I never said. You think you are threatening me, but it isn't working.
You are supposed to be a SDA christian right? Is this how christians treat others? Is this what the Bible has taught you? If so, then I have no interest in your religion.
If it were you being accused of pedophelia and child molestation BEFORE going to court and being tried and convicted, I'd say the same about you as I've said about Tommy Shelton. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Until a Judge says TS is guilty, he is innocent until PROVEN. Until a court proves TS guilty, I still stand by what I said.
So you are claiming --aahhhh what is Bob doing wrong? It appears you must prefer a cover up so parents aren't aware of what their children might be subjected to? I think it is pretty horrible to ridicule and taunt victims with trying to be "political correct" of so called law "slogans" to an already witnessed by many and arrested on top of it action. Did you not read the horrfic letter of an innocent teen and yet have nothing for victims. This manic has had his way for many years of his evil desires. What are the victims left with??? Your pity protection is on the wrong side and no doubt about it. Actually the "proven" part is formality on paper so that punishment can be delivered. He admitted it, he done it and now ..whats the deal with the" innocent bit". The witnesses cannot be denied.
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It is totally irresponsible for them to air programming with Tommy on it.
Unfortunately, they seem to be including him in more Kids Time programming now than previously. Beyond the above three examples, there are even more following.
It almost seems like it's being done out of sheer spite.
This is sheer craziness, what is happening here? It does not make sense! The only thing I see possible is ...did they do all these shows way ahead of time for future dates before this arresting?? If he is not allowed to travel to other states by law how can he do it now? and what in the world is wrong with all the people(names presented) on programs affiliating theirselves with this knowing he is held for his crimes now and previous?? and are they doing this so that the majority of the public from their lack of knowing details of the 3abn saga think of it only as bad rumors and if they carry on portrays to all an innocent attitude?? What are they--dreamers of tv personalities or followers of the piper?? What a sick bunch, surly the law does not permit this activity, so something is wrong here?? There has to be an answer to explain something of a hoax. The documents are not a hoax so what have they pulled off now? I am sure it is as complicated as the DNA testing. lol. I do not have a mind that can keep up with all their manipulating inventive moves. and formal ADVENTISTS see no problem coming --connected to this?? This is whirling!! Leadership can no longer handle Stewardship in the broadest sense.
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According to 3ABN's website on TV programming, following the first week in May, Tommy Shelton is featured in every weekday Kids Time Praise program on the schedule. That is a total of six for the month.
He doesn't appear on the Saturday ones (perhaps too R-Rated for Sabbath...).
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According to 3ABN's website on TV programming, following the first week in May, Tommy Shelton is featured in every weekday Kids Time Praise program on the schedule. That is a total of six for the month.
He doesn't appear on the Saturday ones (perhaps too R-Rated for Sabbath...).
Well, hopefully they will come to their senses soon. The Sheltons found out today they don't run things in Virginia.
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I emailed 3ABN last month regarding Tommy being listed and shown on Kids Time and am still waiting for a reply. His name did disappear from the lists right after I emailed. Don't know if one thing had to do with the other or not. :scratch:
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No Tinka, I am not. Oh I believe that TS is about as guilty as they come. That being said. There is a way to say anything. Bob, was letting her know he knew where she worked and bringing to mind what could possibly happen if her student's parents "happened" upon some of her posts defending TS. That is a threat, especially here, where soon after those types of statements are said, they come to pass..........That is not necessary, and was meant to quiet her. Not nice, not nice at all. Junebug made no such reference to Bob's personal life. If you want to debate the facts, grown up and debate the facts. We can all disagree without being disagreeable, right?
So you are claiming --aahhhh what is Bob doing wrong? It appears you must prefer a cover up so parents aren't aware of what their children might be subjected to? I think it is pretty horrible to ridicule and taunt victims with trying to be "political correct" of so called law "slogans" to an already witnessed by many and arrested on top of it action. Did you not read the horrfic letter of an innocent teen and yet have nothing for victims. This manic has had his way for many years of his evil desires. What are the victims left with??? Your pity protection is on the wrong side and no doubt about it. Actually the "proven" part is formality on paper so that punishment can be delivered. He admitted it, he done it and now ..whats the deal with the" innocent bit". The witnesses cannot be denied.
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No Tinka, I am not. Oh I believe that TS is about as guilty as they come. That being said. There is a way to say anything. Bob, was letting her know he knew where she worked and bringing to mind what could possibly happen if her student's parents "happened" upon some of her posts defending TS. That is a threat, especially here, where soon after those types of statements are said, they come to pass..........That is not necessary, and was meant to quiet her. Not nice, not nice at all. Junebug made no such reference to Bob's personal life. If you want to debate the facts, grown up and debate the facts. We can all disagree without being disagreeable, right?
So you are claiming --aahhhh what is Bob doing wrong? It appears you must prefer a cover up so parents aren't aware of what their children might be subjected to? I think it is pretty horrible to ridicule and taunt victims with trying to be "political correct" of so called law "slogans" to an already witnessed by many and arrested on top of it action. Did you not read the horrific letter of an innocent teen and yet have nothing for victims. This manic has had his way for many years of his evil desires. What are the victims left with??? Your pity protection is on the wrong side and no doubt about it. Actually the "proven" part is formality on paper so that punishment can be delivered. He admitted it, he done it and now ..whats the deal with the" innocent bit". The witnesses cannot be denied.
Di,
Threats and facts are two different things. Bob was bringing out a fact of Junebugs totally off the wall statements of "innocent". That means she is a protector of evil deeds (as I took her posts also) when it was a known fact that the maniac has been arrested. She presented no justice, sympathy, and practically called victims liars. Junebug's ignorance is getting on here and letting one know of what type of character she stands for and then let children be subjected to her way or line of thinking or teaching. If you think that sort of thing is not happening just look at the colleges and specific our colleges. No, I would not want children under her teaching disabilities. Again, that was a right thing and parents should know what their children are subjected to. It was not just a threat for her just coming on here. That was a direct fact of what she was upholding!! Do you think that Bob is the only one that thinks that way of the posters on here?? Now with the proof up front you are stating yes he is guilty. But still slamming as Bob did not make TS guilty -- but he helped bring out the evil deeds to protect the innocent and of course.....this brought out the protectors of the criminal. Can you stop and think just how all this could have been avoided if the "good family" took right procedures to protect the innocent long long ago. In fact I can also say that it "runs across their minds at this moment in agony" because if the family did not have certain ties they would not have faced up at the court. Should have, could have but they didn't. How disastrous as now too too late.
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Bob, was letting her know he knew where she worked and bringing to mind what could possibly happen if her student's parents "happened" upon some of her posts defending TS.
I do not know where she "works." It isn't a question of what could happen if the parents knew. It's a question of whether they ought to know, and should know.
That is a threat, ...
It was not a threat.
That is not necessary, and was meant to quiet her.
I would think it was more intended to prod her to do the right thing, and finally come out and say that a minor "consenting" makes no difference, and that Tommy just might maybe possibly there's a chance be guilty.
If you want to debate the facts, grown up and debate the facts.
And one of the facts that has been and is being debated is that there is something dread wrong if someone who teaches children can't bring themselves to say that a minor "consenting" makes no difference. I'd like to know what the big problem is, but Junebug ain't talking.
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I do not know where she "works." It isn't a question of what could happen if the parents knew. It's a question of whether they ought to know, and should know.
My point exactly! why would you even speculate such a thing? And Bob..............
It was not a threat.
...............It is a threat. You said that to elicit the precise response you got from her. to discontinue posting in fear of her job. I am saying that it is not necessary to even make that kind of statement. Who doesn't know that TS is wrong? He has already admitted to wrong. Junebug has a perfect right to see this situation as she wishes. She has no crediblity in this matter[only] because, we know the only thing that had not happened in this sad situation was for someone to do exactly as those young men did and contact the proper authorities and have TS investigated, charge, and if things go as they should......convicted and pay for his crimes. Now I said ALL of that, without threatening the woman's job......see? It is not your place to "prod" her into anything. Everyone gets to state their opinion with fear of warth, intimidation, or even prodding.
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I do not know where she "works." It isn't a question of what could happen if the parents knew. It's a question of whether they ought to know, and should know.
My point exactly! why would you even speculate such a thing? And Bob..............
It was not a threat.
...............It is a threat. You said that to elicit the precise response you got from her. to discontinue posting in fear of her job. I am saying that it is not necessary to even make that kind of statement. Who doesn't know that TS is wrong? He has already admitted to wrong. Junebug has a perfect right to see this situation as she wishes. She has no crediblity in this matter[only] because, we know the only thing that had not happened in this sad situation was for someone to do exactly as those young men did and contact the proper authorities and have TS investigated, charge, and if things go as they should......convicted and pay for his crimes. Now I said ALL of that, without threatening the woman's job......see? It is not your place to "prod" her into anything. Everyone gets to state their opinion with fear of warth, intimidation, or even prodding.
But Di, don't you think the dynamic changes when the person teaches children?
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Perhaps Bob should have said, "Suppose you were a teacher"?
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Di, you got more angles then carter's got liver pills all coming from different directions ending up in the same spot. That is quite a talent?? What you mean is said in different ways. It all means the same as you have a thing against Bob and Gailon for quite some time against any of their posts as your posts are always negative in their devours of justice. Your main theme has always let the sleeping dogs lie so they can bark another day.
Junebug showed her stuff and it is quite hard not to bring to light someone in total darkness of a subject after it was made plain. There was no thought for victims as her comments made them liars.