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Johann

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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2008, 01:09:21 PM »
Quote from: Snoopy on March 16, 2008, 06:15:12 PM
I just received this email response from BlueHost:


Hello,

We will comply with any court order or subpoena legally requesting information from us.


BH/HM/FD Abuse Department
1215 N. Research Way
Suite Q-3500| Orem, UT 84097
V: (888) 401-HOST | F: 801-765-1992

And I have received a similar reply. - - Johann
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #91 on: March 17, 2008, 03:13:43 PM »
When I spoke with someone in the sales department at BlueHost a few days ago, that person referred my question to someone in the legal department, who while declining to speak with me, gave me the message that she had sent out the information requested.

While it sounded like she was referring to the subpoena information, it wasn't clear because the message was relayed back to me by another person.
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2008, 07:13:56 PM »
Quote from: Snoopy on March 16, 2008, 06:15:12 PM
I just received this email response from BlueHost:


Hello,

We will comply with any court order or subpoena legally requesting information from us.


BH/HM/FD Abuse Department
1215 N. Research Way
Suite Q-3500| Orem, UT 84097
V: (888) 401-HOST | F: 801-765-1992
This reply should not have been unexpected.  Most ISPs will routinely comply.  You can hardly expect them to take a stand for strangers paying 20 bucks a month or what they charge to host.  They probably have it stated in their terms of service.

I really don't see how the ISP will be able to match up AdventTalk user id with IP addresses.  The ISP does not have access to your Simple Machines software admin module, at least my host does not have it for BSDA (the password), nor would they have access to your database where the data is stored, again unless they have the password.  Just my take.
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #93 on: March 17, 2008, 09:00:45 PM »
Well that's interesting, Calvin!

I wonder if 3ABN will go to a further extent to track down the ID's of their targets, or if this has been mainly an attempt at intimidation.
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #94 on: March 17, 2008, 09:49:43 PM »
Quote from: Artiste on March 17, 2008, 09:00:45 PM
Well that's interesting, Calvin!

I wonder if 3ABN will go to a further extent to track down the ID's of their targets, or if this has been mainly an attempt at intimidation.

Intimidation is their long suite isn't it? I believe this is just more of the same.
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2008, 08:25:17 AM »
Calvin,

Are you therefore saying that the ISP can't access this any more than a guest (non-member) can?
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2008, 09:02:00 AM »
I wonder if we will soon be seeing both subpoenas posted on www.save-3abn.com?
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2008, 12:17:30 PM »
Quote from: Snoopy on March 18, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
I wonder if we will soon be seeing both subpoenas posted on www.save-3abn.com?

I think that would be enlightening to some to see just what interests 3ABN so much at this point, Snoopy,...I would like to see them both on the save-3ABN site also, and not just links!
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:54 PM »
Quote from: Daryl Fawcett on March 18, 2008, 08:25:17 AM
Calvin,

Are you therefore saying that the ISP can't access this any more than a guest (non-member) can?
On second thought, they may have a back-door entry to your SQL database.  If that is the case, they can run queries to match the ids with the IP address.
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2008, 01:06:55 PM »
Calvin,

I wonder why they didn't subpoena your ISP as they did our ISP?
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2008, 01:45:19 PM »
Quote from: calvin on March 18, 2008, 12:22:54 PM
Quote from: Daryl Fawcett on March 18, 2008, 08:25:17 AM
Calvin,

Are you therefore saying that the ISP can't access this any more than a guest (non-member) can?
On second thought, they may have a back-door entry to your SQL database.  If that is the case, they can run queries to match the ids with the IP address.

Calvin, does it take very much time for them to run inqueries to match IDs?

I am wondering just how much effort BlueHost will put into running down information.
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #101 on: March 18, 2008, 09:02:50 PM »
Quote from: Daryl Fawcett on March 18, 2008, 01:06:55 PM
Calvin,

I wonder why they didn't subpoena your ISP as they did our ISP?
Well, they still might go after my ISP, especially now that I have lawyered up.
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Re: Subpoena Issued for Advent Talk Information
« Reply #102 on: March 18, 2008, 09:15:22 PM »
Quote from: Artiste on March 18, 2008, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: calvin on March 18, 2008, 12:22:54 PM
Quote from: Daryl Fawcett on March 18, 2008, 08:25:17 AM
Calvin,

Are you therefore saying that the ISP can't access this any more than a guest (non-member) can?
On second thought, they may have a back-door entry to your SQL database.  If that is the case, they can run queries to match the ids with the IP address.

Calvin, does it take very much time for them to run inqueries to match IDs?

I am wondering just how much effort BlueHost will put into running down information.
Just nao-seconds to run and get results from the query.  However, you would have to know the correct SQL syntax to run the query.  I would not know how to do it, but it is a popular database lanuage that most message board software use (I am assuming Simple Machines uses SQL) so Bluehost probably has someone on staff or can find someone.  But you make a good point, how much effort are they going to put into compling with the subpoena.
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