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[Adam]

So I am assuming that you would agree with me that the post I referred too, was uncalled for?

What do SDA's and Christians believe happens when one asks God for forgiveness for sin?  What happens when one decides to follow Jesus and is baptized?  All that old life and past sin is left behind, right? 

Back in 2007 Linda told me about something that Gailon found on the internet from DS's then wife.  I checked this out with Bob Pickle who confirmed that it wasn't something that Gailon had found but that one of his associates had found it.  Contrary to what Di posted, that information was never posted publically on the internet until Johann posted Dr. Arild A.'s letter here yesterday.  One has to wonder about the motivation for this to be made public and who is behind it.

And wow, did the salivating begin!

For those purporting to be fighting to cleanse the SDA camp of evil, the hunger here for juicy allegatons reminds me of the blood-eating plant in Little Shop of Horrors rather than the characteristics that one would expect of a disciple of Christ.

I think your "Holy War" has gotten much further off track.

[Snoopy]

I'll bet it's been quite a while since Linda Shelton confided anything in you, huh Grandma?  Or Gregory, for that matter.

What do SDA's and Christians believe happens when one asks God for forgiveness for sin?  What happens when one decides to follow Jesus and is baptized?  All that old life and past sin is left behind, right? 

Back in 2007 Linda told me about something that Gailon found on the internet from DS's then wife.  I checked this out with Bob Pickle who confirmed that it wasn't something that Gailon had found but that one of his associates had found it.  Contrary to what Di posted, that information was never posted publically on the internet until Johann posted Dr. Arild A.'s letter here yesterday.  One has to wonder about the motivation for this to be made public and who is behind it.

And wow, did the salivating begin!

For those purporting to be fighting to cleanse the SDA camp of evil, the hunger here for juicy allegatons reminds me of the blood-eating plant in Little Shop of Horrors rather than the characteristics that one would expect of a disciple of Christ.

I think your "Holy War" has gotten much further off track.

[mrst53]

Boy, the hip boots need to come on- and someone is starting to really play dirty pool. Guess we can expect alot worse as July gets closer

[Adam]

Boy, the hip boots need to come on- and someone is starting to really play dirty pool. Guess we can expect alot worse as July gets closer

I'm with you on this.  The closer it comes the more hilarious the defense sets in.  They know it's almost time for them to pack up their bags.

[Murcielago]

This is disturbing. Let bad be bad, and good be good. Sometimes we need to avert our gaze from the abyss for a while.

[princessdi]

Now see, don't take them as truth, because I only said things had been discussed about her past.  Nobody came through with a link or anything.  So, I just took them as things being thrown out there just like everything else.  There was a whole lot of slinging back and forth at BSDA.  That is why at one point a limit was put on who who fair game or not.  I believe that Brandy's past was not fair game. So it stopped.  And this stuff with the little girl's paternity would never have been allowed at BSDA.

But my actual point was DR. A was not the frist person to question Brandy's past, ind if some kind of lawsuit was going to be filed they would have to add everyone who had questioned her past or made inferences that it was an unsavory one.  

It was also my understanding that she was baptized,, and I believe that means a cleansing from one's sins, Correct?   We must remember that all have sinned and come short. and are equal at the foot of the cross.

This is why I support a truce, and you know I have for a very long time.  This gets very hurtful.  Brandy is gone, and still the short time she was married to Danny come into play in an effort to destroy him.

 so that is how they got the proof, of the nude dancer called Brandy off the internet?? Well, can you imagine? I 'm taking your implication here as fact Gurl.... Wonder how much porno it took to watch that from 3abn headquarters before the jets flew??

[Snoopy]

So, just for the record for anyone who is confused, this is AdventTalk, NOT BSDA.  If you want BSDA rules (and Clay), go to BSDA.

Now see, don't take them as truth, because I only said things had been discussed about her past.  Nobody came through with a link or anything.  So, I just took them as things being thrown out there just like everything else.  There was a whole lot of slinging back and forth at BSDA.  That is why at one point a limit was put on who who fair game or not.  I believe that Brandy's past was not fair game. So it stopped.  And this stuff with the little girl's paternity would never have been allowed at BSDA.

But my actual point was DR. A was not the frist person to question Brandy's past, ind if some kind of lawsuit was going to be filed they would have to add everyone who had questioned her past or made inferences that it was an unsavory one.  

It was also my understanding that she was baptized,, and I believe that means a cleansing from one's sins, Correct?   We must remember that all have sinned and come short. and are equal at the foot of the cross.

This is why I support a truce, and you know I have for a very long time.  This gets very hurtful.  Brandy is gone, and still the short time she was married to Danny come into play in an effort to destroy him.

 so that is how they got the proof, of the nude dancer called Brandy off the internet?? Well, can you imagine? I 'm taking your implication here as fact Gurl.... Wonder how much porno it took to watch that from 3abn headquarters before the jets flew??

[Johann]

I believe this was uncalled for.  This was about as Un-Christian as you can get. I feel that the author of this post owes Pastor Johann an appology. Shame on you Cindy, for allowing this over at your site.
Johann Thorvaldson admits he is a liar
by proffaberf451 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:12 am UTC

Johann Thorvaldson, the supposed pastor from Scandinavia has publically admitted that he is a liar and should have his pastoral credentials revoked and he should be censured by the division that oversees his activities if not the General Conference.

For years Johann Thorvaldson has claimed that there is no evidence to substantiate the claims against Linda Shelton. Today, a day after publishing a vile and despicable lie about the 3ABN Board of Directors Chairman, he responded to a challenge for evidence with the following:

Dr Arild Abrahamsen tells me he has documentation for what he wrote. At least as much documentation as the others have for all of their false rumors. Perhaps Mrs. Thompson now understands what sorrows her husband has caused Linda Shelton?

Since he has claimed that there is no evidence against Linda Shelton, this is tantamount to a public admission that he is engaged in lying as a means to defend his position. An admitted tit-for-tat. He knows the truth but refuses to admit it because of his blind loyalty to Linda Shelton - the source of his current lying endeavor. A retired pastor, he has evidenced that he has left behind all of the beliefs that he claimed to hold true when he occupied a pulpit. He has evidenced that he no longer believes in the fundamental beliefs of this faith, nor does he believe in the Ten Commandments. His credentials should be immediately revoked and he should be barred from speaking from any pulpit in any church in this world by both his division and the General Conference.

One has to wonder why he is so blindly adherent to Linda Shelton. He has obviously believed any and all lies she has feed him, whether directly or through the quasi-doctor Abrahamsen. He can no longer be trusted to lead, nor counsel, in the name of the church or in the name of the Savior. He has abdicated his role in the Lord's work and taken up with the devil's side instead.

Warning: If you go there you might get exposed to some pornography. Is that part of their "truth"?

[Snoopy]

NO!  Really?  Are you serious??

Warning: If you go there you might get exposed to some pornography. Is that part of their "truth"?

[princessdi]

Gurl this ain't nothin'!  Be glad you were never at BSDA, and be glad you didn't have to moderate that stuff.  It was rough on and off board.  Kind of hilarious, because depending on which way we would rule on the disputes, we were accused of favoring the other side.....it was a mess!

Boy, the hip boots need to come on- and someone is starting to really play dirty pool. Guess we can expect alot worse as July gets closer

[Pat Williams]

I believe this was uncalled for.  This was about as Un-Christian as you can get. I feel that the author of this post owes Pastor Johann an appology. Shame on you Cindy, for allowing this over at your site.
Johann Thorvaldson admits he is a liar
by proffaberf451 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:12 am UTC

Johann Thorvaldson, the supposed pastor from Scandinavia has publically admitted that he is a liar and should have his pastoral credentials revoked and he should be censured by the division that oversees his activities if not the General Conference.

For years Johann Thorvaldson has claimed that there is no evidence to substantiate the claims against Linda Shelton. Today, a day after publishing a vile and despicable lie about the 3ABN Board of Directors Chairman, he responded to a challenge for evidence with the following:

Dr Arild Abrahamsen tells me he has documentation for what he wrote. At least as much documentation as the others have for all of their false rumors. Perhaps Mrs. Thompson now understands what sorrows her husband has caused Linda Shelton?

Since he has claimed that there is no evidence against Linda Shelton, this is tantamount to a public admission that he is engaged in lying as a means to defend his position. An admitted tit-for-tat. He knows the truth but refuses to admit it because of his blind loyalty to Linda Shelton - the source of his current lying endeavor. A retired pastor, he has evidenced that he has left behind all of the beliefs that he claimed to hold true when he occupied a pulpit. He has evidenced that he no longer believes in the fundamental beliefs of this faith, nor does he believe in the Ten Commandments. His credentials should be immediately revoked and he should be barred from speaking from any pulpit in any church in this world by both his division and the General Conference.

One has to wonder why he is so blindly adherent to Linda Shelton. He has obviously believed any and all lies she has feed him, whether directly or through the quasi-doctor Abrahamsen. He can no longer be trusted to lead, nor counsel, in the name of the church or in the name of the Savior. He has abdicated his role in the Lord's work and taken up with the devil's side instead.

Warning: If you go there you might get exposed to some pornography. Is that part of their "truth"?

There is no pornography there. Why are you lying again, Johann?

[Artiste]

So, just for the record for anyone who is confused, this is AdventTalk, NOT BSDA.  If you want BSDA rules (and Clay), go to BSDA.

Thank you, Snoopy!

[Snoopy]

There is no pornography there. Why are you lying again, Johann?

Johann is not lying.  There HAS indeed been porn at that site - another reason why I call it "the smut site".  Just because you might not have seen it does not mean it wasn't there.  I think you owe Johann an apology.

[Pat Williams]

Everybody ignores my question if it is not time to call for a truce? Do you all just want to keep on fighting?

Coming from someone who is obviously still fighting, and fighting dirty, your question is absurd.

Let me just state that I was asked to post those letters.

Truly? By whom?

Don't they give an idea how intense the "fighting" has been?

Yes, they certainly show how intense the fighting is, (yours) and the means you will employ to justify the ends. It doesn't reflect well on you, on Dr A, or on whoever asked you to post this at all. It's lies, it's ugly, and it is hatred, and it is wrong, Johann. I am sorry that you can't see that, and that others can see but are unable to reach you or help you.

[Pat Williams]

There is no pornography there. Why are you lying again, Johann?

Johann is not lying.  There HAS indeed been porn at that site - another reason why I call it "the smut site".  Just because you might not have seen it does not mean it wasn't there.  I think you owe Johann an apology.

Well we'll just have to disagree, because "I think" it is you who owes the apologies, but I won't hold my breath waiting on any.