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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: guide4him on October 04, 2008, 12:16:21 PM
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For those who are able to watch BMTV on Cable tv in the Walla Walla valley there will be a Fall Sharathon hosted by Dan Matthews and Linda Shelton. Musicians from Rogers Elementary School, Walla Walla University, Walla Walla Valley Men's Chorus, and others, are scheduled to appear. Join us as we "Lift Up the Trumpet" and share the wonderful stories of how BMTV is ministering Christ's love to others.
Times are between Monday to Thursday, Oct. 20-23, 6-10 pm.
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Praise God! The Lord is blessing! However, I wonder who will be there to stop the program!
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I just received this from a friend at Walla Walla:
Johann, I have good news, just noticed this in our bulletin today:
Oct 20-23 our local Blue Mountain Television Sharathon will be hosted by Dan Matthews and Linda Shelton...
Please pray that something good will happen for Linda Shelton. Dan Matthews is now in charge of media for Loma Linda Broadcasting Network. She needs to be vindicated and placed where her talents can be used. By the way, Dan supported Gospel Outreach not long ago when they used Linda in their special program here in town. From what I hear it was Walt Thompson who talked an hour to Dick Madson and tried his utmost to stop them from using Linda.. . .
There is still need for prayers that what happened last time will not be repeated.
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As this involves Linda Shelton and subsequent posts here have connected this to the issue of 3ABN, this thread has been moved into the 3ABN forum.
This is all the more reason to pray for this, as requested in the OP.
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From what I hear it was Walt Thompson who talked an hour to Dick Madson and tried his utmost to stop them from using Linda.. . .
If this is true, then this speaks volumes against the leadership of 3ABN, namely their board chairman, and backs up the earlier claims of such continuing harrassment against Linda Shelton. Can this be verified by others there? :wave:
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If this is true - and I have absolutely no way of knowing whether it is or is not, except that I find Johann's information to be accurate - how despicable, so many years
after the event. Even if Linda had done what she was accused of doing, (and I have not seen any proof of that) surely a person should be permitted to get her life back on track.
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If this is true - and I have absolutely no way of knowing whether it is or is not, except that I find Johann's information to be accurate - how despicable, so many years
after the event. Even if Linda had done what she was accused of doing, (and I have not seen any proof of that) surely a person should be permitted to get her life back on track.
I can only say that this comes to me from a local source.
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If this is true - and I have absolutely no way of knowing whether it is or is not, except that I find Johann's information to be accurate - how despicable, so many years
after the event. Even if Linda had done what she was accused of doing, (and I have not seen any proof of that) surely a person should be permitted to get her life back on track.
It's true and more.
And in the note to Johann that he posted, the Dan mentioned is not Dan Shelton - it's Dan Matthews, just in case someone might have gotten the idea is was Dan Shelton. I know for certain how some BOD handled themselves that weekend. Talk about despicable..
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I am not asking about the sources, I assumed that if Johann posted the information he was satisfied with its reliability.
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This could very easily be verified with Dan Matthews himself.
I also now wonder what Dan Matthews feels about all of this?
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From what I understand I don't think BOD of 3ABN has any leverage to threaten BMTV because BMTV supports HOPE Channel not 3ABN.
JMHO
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I understand from people at Walla Walla that BMTV used to carry some 3ABN programs, but more than a year ago they decided to switch completely over to HOPE. 3ABN does have a relay station in the area, which does not always function, I'm told.
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I think one should relax about 3ABN/BOD interfering with the program with Linda. that of course assumes the program is scheduled as stated. If they do , they leave themselves open to potential tort claims of Interference with Existing Contractual Relations and/or Interference with Prospective Contractual Relations, Defamation, Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress and possibly False Light in the Public Eye. There are punitive damages involved in these claims=that means lots of potential money if a suit is won. They can not be that foolish. I would like to know the facts of the previous Walla Walla encounter. Time will tell.
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Edited to change from BOB to BOD, which was noted as a typing error in a later post. - Daryl Fawcett, Administrator.
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To prevent misunderstanding, you meant 3ABN/BOD rather than 3ABN/BOB, right?
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You are 100 per cent correct. It should have said BOD meaning Board of Directors. I am sorry that that was misspelled implying something that was never intended. I do spell check but that was just a dumb oversight. :oops:
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Frankly, I would hope the fools would repeat it every chance they get!!! Just how long will it take the Lord to strike them all down for their abomination???
Not long, I trust, as their is a work to be done and we should not be tied up with this follishness!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
I just received this from a friend at Walla Walla:
Johann, I have good news, just noticed this in our bulletin today:
Oct 20-23 our local Blue Mountain Television Sharathon will be hosted by Dan Matthews and Linda Shelton...
Please pray that something good will happen for Linda Shelton. Dan Matthews is now in charge of media for Loma Linda Broadcasting Network. She needs to be vindicated and placed where her talents can be used. By the way, Dan supported Gospel Outreach not long ago when they used Linda in their special program here in town. From what I hear it was Walt Thompson who talked an hour to Dick Madson and tried his utmost to stop them from using Linda.. . .
There is still need for prayers that what happened last time will not be repeated.
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Yes. I can confirm this as well. The following paragraph is taken verbatim from a letter I received from Dr. Thompson in April, 2008:
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"Love for another is not determined by the action of that person. A mother does not cease to love her son or daughter when that child chooses to follow a different path than the one requested by the mother. In fact, the more rebellious a child becomes, and the deeper that child becomes involved in sin, the greater is that love felt by the mother. Though the mother's hands may be tied and unable to help, she will never stop loving. Her hands may be tied by many things, but perhaps the most dangerous is that of enabling one in their destructive behavior. Yes, there is one other serious thing that may tie her hands, and that is her concern for the other children that may be irreparably hurt by the actions of the rebellious, but loved child. I must tell you that Linda is much like a rebellious child to me. I do not agree with what she has done, or is doing. I must do what I can to protect my other children - and if this means I make a phone call, hard as it may be, I will do it, but though she may not see my acts as acts of love, that does not change the reality of it. I believe Jesus would do the same."
From what I hear it was Walt Thompson who talked an hour to Dick Madson and tried his utmost to stop them from using Linda.. . .
If this is true, then this speaks volumes against the leadership of 3ABN, namely their board chairman, and backs up the earlier claims of such continuing harrassment against Linda Shelton. Can this be verified by others there? :wave:
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Yes. I can confirm this as well. The following paragraph is taken verbatim from a letter I received from Dr. Thompson in April, 2008:
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"Love for another is not determined by the action of that person. A mother does not cease to love her son or daughter when that child chooses to follow a different path than the one requested by the mother. In fact, the more rebellious a child becomes, and the deeper that child becomes involved in sin, the greater is that love felt by the mother. Though the mother's hands may be tied and unable to help, she will never stop loving. Her hands may be tied by many things, but perhaps the most dangerous is that of enabling one in their destructive behavior. Yes, there is one other serious thing that may tie her hands, and that is her concern for the other children that may be irreparably hurt by the actions of the rebellious, but loved child. I must tell you that Linda is much like a rebellious child to me. I do not agree with what she has done, or is doing. I must do what I can to protect my other children - and if this means I make a phone call, hard as it may be, I will do it, but though she may not see my acts as acts of love, that does not change the reality of it. I believe Jesus would do the same."
From what I hear it was Walt Thompson who talked an hour to Dick Madson and tried his utmost to stop them from using Linda.. . .
If this is true, then this speaks volumes against the leadership of 3ABN, namely their board chairman, and backs up the earlier claims of such continuing harrassment against Linda Shelton. Can this be verified by others there? :wave:
A very wise friend suggested that I post the entire letter from Dr. Thompson to put the paragraph I quoted in context. This letter is in response to a fax I sent to Dr. Thompson and the 3ABN Board of Directors after several of them, including Dr. Thompson, tried to interfere with Linda Shelton's ministry efforts at Walla Walla last spring. I have removed both his and my private information.
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If Dan Matthews is willing to have Linda Shelton as a co-cost on BMTV Shareathon then that is good endorsement to me. As far as I know, Dan Matthews has a very good reputation with the SDA church. Of course I am not in know of a lot of SDA information. The little I know of him, I trust his instincts.
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Snoopy, reading the communication from Walt Thompson reminds me of the old John Wayne western movies my Dad liked to watch. When it came to communications between the Indians and the White man, eventually one of the wise old Indian chiefs would lift an eyebrow, stare directly into the eyes of John Wayne and pronounce judgement on the actions of his superiors, "White man speak with forked tongue." So often in the Indian's experience they discovered that the official utterances of the White man proved to be diametrically opposed to his actions. Their stated purpose and the actuality of their deeds deviated to such a degree that the Indians no longer trusted the promises that were delivered to them, but instead based their observations upon experience. I believe we would be prudent to emulate the wisdom of the Indian chiefs and based upon our experience with the deeds of Walt Thompson proclaim the following, "That man speaks with a forked tongue. Although he presents himself and his actions as inspired by Christ and declares his actions as what Jesus would do in the same situation, our practical experience with his deeds appears more in harmony with those of the Deceiver." Unfortunately we live in a world where many thump on their chests professing their Christianity and their resemblance to Jesus, but few actually follow His example. It is to this class of individuals that Walt Thompson appears to belong. My opinion is based upon the deviation between his words and his actions especially in the case of Linda Shelton and in regards to the inequity that has run rampant at 3ABN under the leadership of both Danny Shelton and Walt Thompson.
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Dr Walter Thompson is a BIG part of what is wrong at 3ABN...he is so blinded by his purported mission he cannot see the real demons for the false demons and has become a part of the 3ABN demonology...everyone else are demons and the miscreants of 3ABN are saints!!! The demons are attacking 3ABN!!!
Sadly he does not recognize that 3ABN is FULL OF DEMONS that need to be exorcised!!!
The sooner Thompson recognizes the TRUTH the sooner 3ABN gets to exorcise the demons in its own closets and focus on their final ministry.
The delusion is over...all is exposed and THEY ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED. Time for reformation at 3ABN!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
Snoopy, reading the communication from Walt Thompson reminds me of the old John Wayne western movies my Dad liked to watch. When it came to communications between the Indians and the White man, eventually one of the wise old Indian chiefs would lift an eyebrow, stare directly into the eyes of John Wayne and pronounce judgement on the actions of his superiors, "White man speak with forked tongue." So often in the Indian's experience they discovered that the official utterances of the White man proved to be diametrically opposed to his actions. Their stated purpose and the actuality of their deeds deviated to such a degree that the Indians no longer trusted the promises that were delivered to them, but instead based their observations upon experience. I believe we would be prudent to emulate the wisdom of the Indian chiefs and based upon our experience with the deeds of Walt Thompson proclaim the following, "That man speaks with a forked tongue. Although he presents himself and his actions as inspired by Christ and declares his actions as what Jesus would do in the same situation, our practical experience with his deeds appears more in harmony with those of the Deceiver." Unfortunately we live in a world where many thump on their chests professing their Christianity and their resemblance to Jesus, but few actually follow His example. It is to this class of individuals that Walt Thompson appears to belong. My opinion is based upon the deviation between his words and his actions especially in the case of Linda Shelton and in regards to the inequity that has run rampant at 3ABN under the leadership of both Danny Shelton and Walt Thompson.
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I am not so naive as to think that Walt Thompson has not recognized long ago the problems that exist. I believe he long ago recognized that there were "demons" at 3ABN.
I think his problem is that he doesn't want to admit it.
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Fixed typo.
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A number of years ago I approached Walt Thompson about a major problem I saw at 3ABN, he gave me his opinion, I gave him Bible principle in return that countered his rather negative and arrogant argumentation. He then agreed to look into the matter. I told him a few individuals that had direct experience with the matter in question. He agreed to do so. After a reasonable time had pasted, I spoke with those individuals and asked them if Walt Thompson had contacted them... He had not. My opinion of Walt Thompson? He appears to operate on the premise of "the end justifies the means". Throwing Biblical principle to the wind, while indulging in situational ethics, he appears willing to do whatever is necessary to support the continuence of Danny Shelton's realm.
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A number of years ago I approached Walt Thompson about a major problem I saw at 3ABN, he gave me his opinion, I gave him Bible principle in return that countered his rather negative and arrogant argumentation. He then agreed to look into the matter. I told him a few individuals that had direct experience with the matter in question. He agreed to do so. After a reasonable time had pasted, I spoke with those individuals and asked them if Walt Thompson had contacted them... He had not. My opinion of Walt Thompson? He appears to operate on the premise of "the end justifies the means". Throwing Biblical principle to the wind, while indulging in situational ethics, he appears willing to do whatever is necessary to support the continuence of Danny Shelton's realm.
Here, Here!!!! If Thompson were doing his job, we would not have had anything to report, but Thompson picked up the wrong ball long ago and sold out to the "Danny Factor"...Danny Lee Shelton is the annointed one and therefore support him and his presidency despite the fact that it is a massive hypocricy!!!
Thompson knows better than anyone else THERE IS NO VIABLE EVIDENCE AGAINST LINDA SUE SHELTON, but continues to denigrate Linda at every opportunity. He is guilty of defamation and interferring in her economic prospects...a virulent virus worthy of utter destruction in my book...cannot be trusted anymore thn Danny Lee Shelton and just another "hypocrite".
He also knows better than any other that Danny was using 3ABN as his own business and ignored the truth.
His sin has moved past the sin of ommission to the sin of commission and best "fess" up or he faces a virulent judgment.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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So Walt had to punish Linda since she is a rebellious child. Meanwhile he lets Danny be a spoiled little brat (to carry the analogy further)?
Does he think the trust services staff were rebellious children too, but not Leonard Westphal? Kind of warped, if you ask me.
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That reminds me of an amusing story. Larry Ewing had asked me to help with a particular state filing related to charitable gift annuities (CGAs). This state had a much more complicated registration process than most other states. It included probably 30+ pages of required disclosures to be completed by each individual responsible for soliciting CGAs from the public. In 3ABN's case the only one who needed to complete the forms was Dr. Westphal. So I went to the website and found the required disclosures. This was right around campmeeting time (May 2006) and the Westphals were in Thompsonville. So I prepared the package and took it over to the worship center where Dr. Westphal was meeting with potential donors. I explained who I was, what I was doing, and what I needed him to do. He took the paperwork and agreed to complete it and send it back to me.
I waited and waited and checked with Larry Ewing every once in a while, but no package arrived back from Dr. Westphal. So I finally called Dr. Westphal at his Loma Linda office and asked him if he had finished the necessary documents. His response to me..."Ya, ya, I looked at it but it is too complicated. You're the CPA - you fill it out!" The humorous part is that the whole filing had to do with his personal information - there was NO WAY for me to fill it out for him, not to mention it required his signature!!
It so happened that I was to be in San Diego in the coming weeks. While there, I took a day out of my trip to drive the 1.5 hours from San Diego to Loma Linda. I sat there at the table with Dr. Westphal, read him the questions, and filled out the form for him. I then had him sign it, and I returned the form to Larry Ewing so he could file it with the state.
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So Walt had to punish Linda since she is a rebellious child. Meanwhile he lets Danny be a spoiled little brat (to carry the analogy further)?
Does he think the trust services staff were rebellious children too, but not Leonard Westphal? Kind of warped, if you ask me.
Thompson can't tell the difference between a rebellion and a reformation revolution. I suspect he is headed for the same conclusion the British came to here in America...maybe he can retreat to Canada with Ewing? Ewing certainly deserves him!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I received this report from Walla Walla:
"Johann,
"We watched Linda & Dan Mathews last evening on the local Blue Mountain Television Sharathon, both did excellent. Linda looked so nice, appreciated her comments very much. She is such a special person, good to see Linda involved."
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I received this report from Walla Walla:
"Johann,
"We watched Linda & Dan Mathews last evening on the local Blue Mountain Television Sharathon, both did excellent. Linda looked so nice, appreciated her comments very much. She is such a special person, good to see Linda involved."
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She, Linda Sue Shelton, must increase and He, Danny Lee Shelton, must decrease. That is the way of justice.
The Lord's blessing is upon Linda, She has served her time in Egypt and must now blossom into the fullness of bloom.
You can some of the people all the time, all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. GIG IS UP, DANNY LEE SHELTON and BRENDA WALSH. We know the tuth and we will share the truth!!!
Danny and Brenda must wither and pay the price for what they have done to Linda Sue Shelton!!!
The Lord's justice be upon them!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I am very happy for Linda. God is and always has blessed her in spite of everything.
I received this report from Walla Walla:
"Johann,
"We watched Linda & Dan Mathews last evening on the local Blue Mountain Television Sharathon, both did excellent. Linda looked so nice, appreciated her comments very much. She is such a special person, good to see Linda involved."
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She, Linda Sue Shelton, must increase and He, Danny Lee Shelton, must decrease. That is the way of justice.
The Lord's blessing is upon Linda, She has served her time in Egypt and must now blossom into the fullness of bloom.
You can some of the people all the time, all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. GIG IS UP, DANNY LEE SHELTON and BRENDA WALSH. We know the tuth and we will share the truth!!!
Danny and Brenda must wither and pay the price for what they have done to Linda Sue Shelton!!!
The Lord's justice be upon them!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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More from Walla Walla:
Johann, they are still on today and tomorrow. I hope she is vindicated soon and that a beautiful job will be found for her either at LLBN or Hope Channel. Please pray that BMT will get the 120 thousand dollars they need, a huge amount since by last evening they had only nearly 15 thousand by 9 p.m. Tuesday, their second day. Tough times, hate to see BMT shut down since they really don't have the money and need quite a lot to meet the Feb deadline of going to digital which is quite expensive. Pray that people will be impressed locally to dig deep. --
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Sounds like a good cause to be promoted here at Advent Talk. :thumbsup:
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When Linda had to leave for another preaching appointment, they were still counting the donations, and they were then past $200.000 - thank God.
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When Linda had to leave for another preaching appointment, they were still counting the donations, and they were then past $200.000 - thank God.
Pretty good. The fundraiser she did earlier this year also took the organization well past their projected donations. Not bad for a lady on whom 3ABN tried their best to stamp the infamous red letter of their malicious lies. It appears that their power of destruction isn't as absolute as they thought it was.
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This action on their part of trying to squelch these type of Linda Shelton's activities really bothered me from the beginning, and still does, therefore, I am glad this one wasn't successfully squelched.
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If 3ABN is in bad need of finances, they could consider asking Linda Shelton to do a fund raiser for them.
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If 3ABN is in bad need of finances, they could consider asking Linda Shelton to do a fund raiser for them.
From my read of the Pacer documents for the 3abn Motion for Voluntary Dismissal and Oral Arguments, it seems that 3abn's finances have returned to normal. The affidavits did mention, though, that one of the considerations for asking for a voluntary dismissal of the law suit was that both you and Gailon were in bad financial condition, making it unlikely that they could collect any damages. Does one have to be a non-profit in order for Linda to do fundraising for them? If not, perhaps you and Gailon might consider asking Linda Shelton to do a fund raiser for you. That way, if you and Gailon really don't want them to drop this law suit, perhaps 3abn would reconsider the motion to dismiss.
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If 3ABN is in bad need of finances, they could consider asking Linda Shelton to do a fund raiser for them.
From my read of the Pacer documents for the 3abn Motion for Voluntary Dismissal and Oral Arguments, it seems that 3abn's finances have returned to normal. The affidavits did mention, though, that one of the considerations for asking for a voluntary dismissal of the law suit was that both you and Gailon were in bad financial condition, making it unlikely that they could collect any damages. Does one have to be a non-profit in order for Linda to do fundraising for them? If not, perhaps you and Gailon might consider asking Linda Shelton to do a fund raiser for you. That way, if you and Gailon really don't want them to drop this law suit, perhaps 3abn would reconsider the motion to dismiss.
I seem to recall that there is a requirement when filing a federal suit of the sort that 3ABN filed requiring that the plaintiff have a reasonable expectation of recovering a minimum amount of $50-75,000 or something like that. Gailon? Bob? Is my recollection anywhere close to accurate there? If so, I would think that their statement in the motion to dismiss opens them up to some action in that they would have demonstrated that they did not meet the federal requirements in filing, and filed for something that they did not have a reasonable expectation of recovering.
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I think it is more than $75,000.
At any rate, no proof has been offered by them that donations have returned to normal. And personally, I don't see how that can be true. I've heard otherwise. The economy is hurting. Amazing Facts had to cut about 1/3 of their staff. Even conferences are finding things challenging right now.
3ABN needs to prove what they have asserted regarding donations declining and being back up.
GN, do you understand what that scoundrel Danny Shelton is asking the court to do in his motion? He's asking the court to allow him to sue us again if he so chooses. Do you think that is a righteous thing for him to ask for? Once ought to be enough. But no, not for Danny Shelton. He wants to leave everything unresolved and wide open. That is utterly unacceptable, and yet more evidence that he is totally unfit to head a major supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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If 3ABN is in bad need of finances, they could consider asking Linda Shelton to do a fund raiser for them.
From my read of the Pacer documents for the 3abn Motion for Voluntary Dismissal and Oral Arguments, it seems that 3abn's finances have returned to normal. The affidavits did mention, though, that one of the considerations for asking for a voluntary dismissal of the law suit was that both you and Gailon were in bad financial condition, making it unlikely that they could collect any damages. Does one have to be a non-profit in order for Linda to do fundraising for them? If not, perhaps you and Gailon might consider asking Linda Shelton to do a fund raiser for you. That way, if you and Gailon really don't want them to drop this law suit, perhaps 3abn would reconsider the motion to dismiss.
I seem to recall that there is a requirement when filing a federal suit of the sort that 3ABN filed requiring that the plaintiff have a reasonable expectation of recovering a minimum amount of $50-75,000 or something like that. Gailon? Bob? Is my recollection anywhere close to accurate there? If so, I would think that their statement in the motion to dismiss opens them up to some action in that they would have demonstrated that they did not meet the federal requirements in filing, and filed for something that they did not have a reasonable expectation of recovering.
Federal Jurisdiction requires that your claim be in excess of $75,000, that the parties have diverse jurisdiction, in other words, from various states. The other Federal Jurisdiction is that an action raise a constitutional question (as in US CONSTITUTION).
Yes, Habanero, you have correctly noted the Motion to Dismiss clarifies, under oath, that the lawsuit had a frivolous purpose and was very clearly a misuse of process.
There are defendants who would eat their heart out for such a perfect demonstration of their ill purpose...and add to that they knew the evidence would crucify them and the entire gameplan was to hadcuff the defense production process. Bad gamble...now it is time to call
the chips!!!
Remember that statement Danny was so famous for regarding rolling the stone...something about being careful as it may roll back onto youself? Did he not think the law of God applied to himself as well as everyone else?
Trust that annswers your question, Ms Habanero.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I was talking to a lawyer friend here about this. He told me that, in his opinion, the court probably wouldn't look favourably towards 3ABN and Danny Shelton for wasting the court's time. He also felt that both 3ABN and Danny Shelton wouldn't be very well thought of by the public for launching the lawsuit and then seeking it to be dismissed.
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I was talking to a lawyer friend here about this. He told me that, in his opinion, the court probably wouldn't look favourably towards 3ABN and Danny Shelton for wasting the court's time. He also felt that both 3ABN and Danny Shelton wouldn't be very well thought of by the public for launching the lawsuit and then seeking it to be dismissed.
Did your friend weigh in on what he thought the public would think of Bob and Gailon should they fight to keep 3abn from getting the law suit dismissed after complaining so much about it being filed in the first place and repeatedly calling on them to drop it?
It will be interesting to see just how the court will view the actions of all.
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Did your friend weigh in on what he thought the public would think of Bob and Gailon should they fight to keep 3abn from getting the law suit dismissed after complaining so much about it being filed in the first place and repeatedly calling on them to drop it?
It will be interesting to see just how the court will view the actions of all.
As I see this, it seems Danny has not really asked for a dismissal of the case. It sounds like he wants to just stretch it out and come back to do it again after all is quiet. To me it is a cowards way to get rid of Bob and Gailon temporarily, so they can wait until they have greater than $75,000, and then sue again.
This is nothing but an attempt to extend on his terms. Or, maybe his lawyers see nothing to gain in representing him anymore? I am sure the lawyers are reading all the evidence. Things don't look too good for Danny/3ABN.
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Did your friend weigh in on what he thought the public would think of Bob and Gailon should they fight to keep 3abn from getting the law suit dismissed after complaining so much about it being filed in the first place and repeatedly calling on them to drop it?
It will be interesting to see just how the court will view the actions of all.
As I see this, it seems Danny has not really asked for a dismissal of the case. It sounds like he wants to just stretch it out and come back to do it again after all is quiet. To me it is a cowards way to get rid of Bob and Gailon temporarily, so they can wait until they have greater than $75,000, and then sue again.
This is nothing but an attempt to extend on his terms. Or, maybe his lawyers see nothing to gain in representing him anymore? I am sure the lawyers are reading all the evidence. Things don't look too good for Danny/3ABN.
You certainly did not come down in the last shower, Fran. :thumbsup:
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1) I DEFY YOU TO FIND A SINGLE STATEMENT FROM ME COMPLAINING THAT THEY FILED SUIT;\
2) I DEFY YOU TO FIND A SINGLE STATEMENT REGARDING MY CALL FOR 3ABN TO DROP THE LAWSUIT!!!
Exagerating again, grandma?
Another thing, a dismissmal without prejudice and specifically reserving the right to file suit in the future, is simply a truce so they can buy time to bring a new suit and be certain they can eliminate the records before they do.
And, grandma Nettie, the traditional legal gamebook for an action such as this would be to file our own Motion to Dismiss shortly after being served...didn't you wonder why we did not file a Motion to Dismiss??
Think about it, Grandma, I have NEVER suggested we should dismiss theses miscreants and instead opted to wage a war of continual engagement designed to slowly but surely encircle and batter away at the evidence until we had a no lose case based on the highest possible standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and to get that information into the court record carefully and meticulously throughout the litigation.
There problem was that they were out of ways to keep us from getting what we were seeking and they were running into financial problems making the perpetual litigation just too expensive.
The judge in Southern Illinois was quite inciteful and made a point of notong that it was clear what had happened: We found issues and sources, they tried to stop us with their "live" programs, we put the information on the internet and they then filed suit to stop us. He noted this was Goliath vs David and told them it was clear that 3ABN had thought we would capitulate within a few months, but here we were nearly two years later still finding stones for the slingshot!!! They clearly miscalulated and we were entiotled to the docuemnts we sought.
I guess Goliath has decided to go home before he loses his head!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
I was talking to a lawyer friend here about this. He told me that, in his opinion, the court probably wouldn't look favourably towards 3ABN and Danny Shelton for wasting the court's time. He also felt that both 3ABN and Danny Shelton wouldn't be very well thought of by the public for launching the lawsuit and then seeking it to be dismissed.
Did your friend weigh in on what he thought the public would think of Bob and Gailon should they fight to keep 3abn from getting the law suit dismissed after complaining so much about it being filed in the first place and repeatedly calling on them to drop it?
It will be interesting to see just how the court will view the actions of all.
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I'll address #2 and ponder #1. You are correct about you not calling for them to dismiss or drop the law suit, but Bob and others certainly have. Were you ever critical of them for doing so?
Yes, Gailon, I have been fully aware of how pleased you felt to engage in this battle. It seems like an enjoyable pasttime for you. Others weren't so pleased.
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I'll address #2 and ponder #1. You are correct about you not calling for them to dismiss or drop the law suit, but Bob and others certainly have. Were you ever critical of them for doing so?
Yes, Gailon, I have been fully aware of how pleased you felt to engage in this battle. It seems like an enjoyable pasttime for you. Others weren't so pleased.
Were you EVER privy to the inner counsel? Believe me, we would never have allowed Mahta Hari to participate in the inner counsel. Those who were known to work both sides were identified early on, isolated and determined their value as intelligence sources. They were given information deemed to get a response for intelligence purposes and otherwise limited.
But, Grandma, did you ever see Bob or his counsel file a motion to dismiss? Put two and two together and tell me what an "intelligent" person like yourself would deduce as the answer to you ridiculous question!!!
Now, why don't you take your incidious little detraction game and "ponder" it for a while. When you get done, let's play chess some day!!! You would have a better chance at winning that game, Grandma.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Now, why don't you take your incidious little detraction game and "ponder" it for a while. When you get done, let's play chess some day!!! You would have a better chance at winning that game, Grandma.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Play Chess!!!!!!! EW soundly denounces that game if I remember right. How would you know how to play the game
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Now, why don't you take your incidious little detraction game and "ponder" it for a while. When you get done, let's play chess some day!!! You would have a better chance at winning that game, Grandma.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Play Chess!!!!!!! EW soundly denounces that game if I remember right. How would you know how to play the game
Wow, you are correct Bonnie! It seems EGW was pretty specific about the game of chess:
Such mental exercise as playing cards, chess, and checkers, excites and wearies the brain and hinders recovery: while light and pleasant physical labor will occupy the time, improve the circulation, relieve and restore the brain, and prove a decided benefit to the health. But take from the invalid all such employment, and he becomes restless, and, with a diseased imagination, views his case as much worse than it really is, which tends to imbecility. {PH145 49.2}
"I was shown that it is not essential to our salvation, nor for the glory of God, for us to keep the mind laboring, even upon religious themes, constantly and excessively. There are amusements which we cannot approve, because Heaven condemns them,--such as dancing, card-playing, chess, checkers, &c. These amusements open the door for great evil. Their tendencies are not beneficial, but their influence upon the mind is to excite and produce in some minds a passion for those plays which lead to gambling, and dissolute lives. All such plays should be condemned by Christians. Something should be substituted in the place of these amusements. Something can be invented, perfectly harmless. {RH, October 8, 1867 par. 29}
"I was shown that the position of Dr. Jackson in regard to amusements was wrong, and that his views of physical exercise were not all correct. The very amusements he recommends hinder the recovery of health in many cases, where one is helped by them. And physical labor for the sick, is to a great degree condemned by Dr. Jackson, which proves in many cases the greatest injury, while such mental exercise as playing at cards, chess, and checkers, excites and wearies the brain, and hinders recovery. Light and pleasant physical labor will occupy the time, improve the circulation, relieve and restore the brain, and prove a decided benefit to the health. But take from the invalid all such employment, and he becomes restless, and, with a diseased imagination, views his case as much worse than it really is, which tends to imbecility. {RH, October 8, 1867 par. 35}
Recreation is needful to those who are engaged in physical labor, and is still more essential for those whose labor is principally mental. It is not essential to our salvation, nor for the glory of God, to keep the mind laboring constantly and excessively, even upon religious themes. There are amusements, such as dancing, card-playing, chess, checkers, etc., which we cannot approve, because Heaven condemns them. These amusements open the door for great evil. They are not beneficial in their tendency, but have an exciting influence, producing in some minds a passion for those plays which lead to gambling and dissipation. All such plays should be condemned by Christians, and something perfectly harmless should be substituted in their place. {MYP 392.1}
I was shown that the position of Dr. E in regard to amusements was wrong, and that his views of physical exercise were not all correct. The amusements which he recommends hinder the recovery of health in many cases to one that is helped by them. He has to a great degree condemned physical labor for the sick, and his teaching in many cases has proved a great injury to them. Such mental exercise as playing cards, chess, and checkers excites and wearies the brain and hinders recovery, while light and pleasant physical labor will occupy the time, improve the circulation, relieve and restore the brain, and prove a decided benefit to the health. But take from the invalid all such employment, and he becomes restless, and, with a diseased imagination, views his case as much worse than it really is, which tends to imbecility. {1T 554.3}
It began in the Sanitarium before Dr. Kellogg came into the institution. Persons who came there to board and room brought in chess playing and many other amusements. This was not right, and the Lord rebuked the management. Our Sanitariums are not to cater to the perverted tastes of worldly people. The same evils have existed in the Sanitarium on the hillside. A few years ago the managers made it more of a hotel than an institution for healing the sick. In the rooms of the guests could be seen the wine bottles that they had brought with them. The boarders indulged appetite for many harmful things. God was not at all pleased with the course pursued by the management in allowing such indulgence; for His purpose in the establishment of the institution was not being carried out. He sent light in regard to it, and the result was that some in leading positions withdrew. They said, "If we refuse to serve meat, we cannot hold the patrons." But whether patronage increases or decreases, right principles must be upheld in the Lord's institutions. In all our work we are to show the advantage of a health reform diet. Between us and the world there is to be a distinct line of demarcation. {KC 143.5}
Passage after passage... The message is quite clear. She even goes so far as to say that "Heaven condemns" it.
Gailon, were you aware of the EGW position on chess when you played it as a child? How about when you tossed out the invitation for us to play chess some day? Do you believe it is a sinful game since she said so? Do you have a chess set in your home? I have one or two. My grandkids have lost a piece from one of them. Have you taught your grandkids to play yet?
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Now, why don't you take your incidious little detraction game and "ponder" it for a while. When you get done, let's play chess some day!!! You would have a better chance at winning that game, Grandma.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Play Chess!!!!!!! EW soundly denounces that game if I remember right. How would you know how to play the game
Yes, a leader who needs followers who don't think for themselves and can't see past the first move would want games like Chess banned. Chess just might increase a child's intellectual strength and that might bring them to study and question things, and that might end up causing them to figure out how shaky a foundation has been laid for them to build their lives upon.
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I rarely reply on these sites....But I must in this instance....I have to say that I am eternally grateful for the church family I have, and the Pastor I have...in fact the church I attend, because unlike most I read here, I had a VERY BLESSED SABBATH.......as I do every Sabbath.....I appears that Satan is having a field day on these sites, as he has accomplished exactly what he intended........ folks questioning there faith, the Spirit of Prophecy Council that we as a people have been so privileged to have, The Lord is coming soon people,,,,,we must be preparing....He will take care of ALL the sin in the camps, regardless of what or who it is...............We have to remain faithful and prepare for the Time of Trouble that is upon us...........We need to be watching Mark Finley, Doug Batchelor and all Pastors who are preaching the last day message.....I Pray for All..................as Satans day of reckoning is approaching, he is trying to make sure everyone pays alittle so his price want seem so bad.....Please, don't play into his hands......Remain faithful to God, he will take care of all this.........We need to concentrate on the heavens opening ....Soon...very Soon............
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I was talking to a lawyer friend here about this. He told me that, in his opinion, the court probably wouldn't look favourably towards 3ABN and Danny Shelton for wasting the court's time. He also felt that both 3ABN and Danny Shelton wouldn't be very well thought of by the public for launching the lawsuit and then seeking it to be dismissed.
Did your friend weigh in on what he thought the public would think of Bob and Gailon should they fight to keep 3abn from getting the law suit dismissed after complaining so much about it being filed in the first place and repeatedly calling on them to drop it?
It will be interesting to see just how the court will view the actions of all.
Absurd question. They are explicitly asking to dismiss the lawsuit without prejudice, which means that they could refile at any time, even though the lawsuit was frivolous to begin with.
The gall of these folks to waste my time for a year and a half, and then walk away falsely claiming victory without so much as an apology, let alone compensation.
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I rarely reply on these sites....But I must in this instance....I have to say that I am eternally grateful for the church family I have, and the Pastor I have...in fact the church I attend, because unlike most I read here, I had a VERY BLESSED SABBATH.......as I do every Sabbath.....I appears that Satan is having a field day on these sites, as he has accomplished exactly what he intended........ folks questioning there faith, the Spirit of Prophecy Council that we as a people have been so privileged to have, The Lord is coming soon people,,,,,we must be preparing....He will take care of ALL the sin in the camps, regardless of what or who it is...............We have to remain faithful and prepare for the Time of Trouble that is upon us...........We need to be watching Mark Finley, Doug Batchelor and all Pastors who are preaching the last day message.....I Pray for All..................as Satans day of reckoning is approaching, he is trying to make sure everyone pays alittle so his price want seem so bad.....Please, don't play into his hands......Remain faithful to God, he will take care of all this.........We need to concentrate on the heavens opening ....Soon...very Soon............
I do believe, and I don't play chess. Doubt anyone will claim I'm dwarfed in intellectual strength in consequence.
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I was talking to a lawyer friend here about this. He told me that, in his opinion, the court probably wouldn't look favourably towards 3ABN and Danny Shelton for wasting the court's time. He also felt that both 3ABN and Danny Shelton wouldn't be very well thought of by the public for launching the lawsuit and then seeking it to be dismissed.
Did your friend weigh in on what he thought the public would think of Bob and Gailon should they fight to keep 3abn from getting the law suit dismissed after complaining so much about it being filed in the first place and repeatedly calling on them to drop it?
It will be interesting to see just how the court will view the actions of all.
Absurd question. They are explicitly asking to dismiss the lawsuit without prejudice, which means that they could refile at any time, even though the lawsuit was frivolous to begin with.
The gall of these folks to waste my time for a year and a half, and then walk away falsely claiming victory without so much as an apology, let alone compensation.
Bob, perhaps you weren't precise enough in the posts you made when asking them to drop the friolous law suit. I don't remember reading one post from you that specified dropping the law suit without prejudice.
You may read the request as them claiming victory, but when I read it, it appeared to me that they were saying three of the major issues that they had brought the suit over had been resolved by means other than the law suit. To me it appeared that one could argue that if they were to continue the law suit at this point, with those three issues resolved to their satisfaction, it would become frivolous and a waste of time. Of course, I'm not trained in these matters so it is simply my Nettie the Grandma take on what I read.
Isn't the Oral Arguments phase the time when you can request compensation and apologies, Isn't it the phase of the motion where the conditions all wish to see in order to accept the dismissal of the law suit can be made? Just wondering.
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I do believe, and I don't play chess. Doubt anyone will claim I'm dwarfed in intellectual strength in consequence.
Now Bob, I wouldn't make any claim that your intellect was dwarfed, but I can think of a few people who might, and in fact, I can think of some who I think have implied it. Lol. (Ian, Junebug, Sam, Steffan, Appletree, GrandmaNettie, Bonnie, etc.)
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I do believe, and I don't play chess. Doubt anyone will claim I'm dwarfed in intellectual strength in consequence.
Now Bob, I wouldn't make any claim that your intellect was dwarfed, but I can think of a few people who might, and in fact, I can think of some who I think have implied it. Lol. (Ian, Junebug, Sam, Steffan, Appletree, GrandmaNettie, Bonnie, etc.)
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Bob, perhaps you weren't precise enough in the posts you made when asking them to drop the friolous law suit. I don't remember reading one post from you that specified dropping the law suit without prejudice.
A frivolous lawsuit is one that is without merit. Thus such statements imply dismissal with prejudice since there was never a real basis for the suit to begin with.
You may read the request as them claiming victory, but when I read it, it appeared to me that they were saying three of the major issues that they had brought the suit over had been resolved by means other than the law suit.
And of course their unsupported and contradicted claims to that effect are a farce and a fraud.
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Now Bob, I wouldn't make any claim that your intellect was dwarfed, but I can think of a few people who might, and in fact, I can think of some who I think have implied it. Lol. (Ian, Junebug, Sam, Steffan, Appletree, GrandmaNettie, Bonnie, etc.)
You can be a genius without a ounce of common sense.
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I rarely reply on these sites....But I must in this instance....I have to say that I am eternally grateful for the church family I have, and the Pastor I have...in fact the church I attend, because unlike most I read here, I had a VERY BLESSED SABBATH.......as I do every Sabbath.....I appears that Satan is having a field day on these sites, as he has accomplished exactly what he intended........ folks questioning there faith, the Spirit of Prophecy Council that we as a people have been so privileged to have, The Lord is coming soon people,,,,,we must be preparing....He will take care of ALL the sin in the camps, regardless of what or who it is...............We have to remain faithful and prepare for the Time of Trouble that is upon us...........We need to be watching Mark Finley, Doug Batchelor and all Pastors who are preaching the last day message.....I Pray for All..................as Satans day of reckoning is approaching, he is trying to make sure everyone pays alittle so his price want seem so bad.....Please, don't play into his hands......Remain faithful to God, he will take care of all this.........We need to concentrate on the heavens opening ....Soon...very Soon............
I do believe, and I don't play chess. Doubt anyone will claim I'm dwarfed in intellectual strength in consequence.
But Gailon, your fellow investigator joining you in the call to remove sin from the 3abn camp, plays and promotes the playing of chess... even while stessing the importance of following the truth in the EGW writings. He has referred to his chess playing many times and has invited some of those he spars with to play it with him someday.
Is it acceptable for one to call for the removal of the sins of others while still openly admitting to playing a game that the EGW quotes say "Heaven condemns"? From the passages I have read, it doesn't look like chess is an okay sin, because she says "the Lord rebuked the management" of the Sanitarium (before Dr. Kellogg came) because people "who came there to board and room brought in chess playing and many other amusements." She also described the effects such games have on the mind.
"These amusements open the door for great evil. Their tendencies are not beneficial, but their influence upon the mind is to excite and produce in some minds a passion for those plays which lead to gambling, and dissolute lives. All such plays should be condemned by Christians. {RH, October 8, 1867 par. 29}"
It appears that the message against games like chess, etc, is that they are just as detrimental to one's health and well-being as the reading of fiction and the works of "infidels" that she also condemns. Do you really think it's safe and acceptable to partner with those who are obviously flaunting the SDA standards? Would you include people in your fight to rid sin from 3abn's camp who also flaunt these and other SDA standards found in the Spirit of Prophecy writings?
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Just a bit of info from the web about chess:
Improve Your Memory Skills
If you think that an older person can out maneuver you in a game of chess because he is more experienced, then your are making a big mistake. In a survey done in 2005, the majority of people can retain most of their mental capabilities well into their old age.
Playing a game of chess is a great mental activity. It is more than an interesting pastime. It is like teasing the brain and chess players are in fact training their brains. In one test done in Beijing China, a group of Chinese scientists set out to map the effects of a mental activity like chess on the mind. In a park where a group of 50 or more retired Chinese men congregate daily to play Chinese Chess, the researchers found that most of the men had above average mental and cognitive skills. They could hold witty and intelligent conversation and are much less prone to depression, dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. The research, spanning over 5 years conclude that the mental faculties of the group of chess-playing men showed no signs of waning as the group continued to age. If fact, their memory continued to improve.
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I suppose it would not dawn on some minds that "chess" could be used as a metaphor - or metaphore - just like saying "that man is a fox". It is also interesting that in the early days of Adventism a picture of a man playing chess with Satan was used as an illustration in Bible Readings.
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But Gailon, your fellow investigator joining you in the call to remove sin from the 3abn camp, plays and promotes the playing of chess... even while stressing the importance of following the truth in the EGW writings. He has referred to his chess playing many times and has invited some of those he spars with to play it with him someday.
Is it acceptable for one to call for the removal of the sins of others while still openly admitting to playing a game that the EGW quotes say "Heaven condemns"? From the passages I have read, it doesn't look like chess is an okay sin, because she says "the Lord rebuked the management" of the Sanitarium (before Dr. Kellogg came) because people "who came there to board and room brought in chess playing and many other amusements." She also described the effects such games have on the mind.
"These amusements open the door for great evil. Their tendencies are not beneficial, but their influence upon the mind is to excite and produce in some minds a passion for those plays which lead to gambling, and dissolute lives. All such plays should be condemned by Christians. {RH, October 8, 1867 par. 29}"
We had a very large extended family. Many sabbath afternoons we would all congregate at one place. There could be up to 20 kids besides adults.
Before sundown we had worship and many times we sang to guitar music.
Then folowing worship we spent the evening playing flinch or rook. The younger children that did not play those would play checkers. We were also bold enough to have our typical sabbath evening snack. Popcorn by the dishpan full with lemonade.
There isn't one that has sick fancies,perverted appetites, lives in an imaginary world,or gambles. There are however many nurses,a couple of Dr's,missionaries,church school teachers .
their influence upon the mind is to excite and produce in some minds a passion for those plays which lead to gambling, and dissolute lives. All such plays should be condemned by Christians. {RH, October 8, 1867 par. 29}"
I can't think of one that became excited and had a passion such as said here.
Let's deprive our young people to the point of little or nothing that is enjoyable and then wonder why maybe our children end up have children out of wedlock.
Make is so restricted that almost everything becomes a sin,even reading Black Beauty and you will have sin with your young people that you never envisioned
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I suppose it would not dawn on some minds that "chess" could be used as a metaphor - or metaphore - just like saying "that man is a fox". It is also interesting that in the early days of Adventism a picture of a man playing chess with Satan was used as an illustration in Bible Readings.
No I don't believe that it is.It sates chess specifically. I can recall seeing many pictures depicting satan as a beautiful serpent, and tempting Eve to eat what appears to be an apple. I still eat apples
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I was not prying into your static beliefs, bonnie. I was referring to how Bob could be using the term "chess", but since you have made up your mind how his mind is working, you might not see it that way. Neither miight you comprehend how Bob explained this in an earlier post. Humans can be so different. . .
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I was not prying into your static beliefs, bonnie. I was referring to how Bob could be using the term "chess", but since you have made up your mind how his mind is working, you might not see it that way. Neither miight you comprehend how Bob explained this in an earlier post. Humans can be so different. . .
You may be right. If so I would owe Bob an apology. From here I think it would be up to Bob to answer.
Bob
1 Do you play chess,if not why not?
2. Do you believe the reading of good fiction, (I am not talking about wandering of into porn),but books like Tom Sawyer,Black Beauty etc . lead to sick fancies and living life in an imaginary world.
PS. Bob,I wanted to ask before you took the time to respond
Do you believe EGW in her writings has stated that the actual game known as chess should not be played?
edited to add PS
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If you are going to focus on whether playing chess, checkers, cards is OK or not OK, I suggest you take this to a new thread for the reason that it is completely off topic in this thread.
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Now, why don't you take your incidious little detraction game and "ponder" it for a while. When you get done, let's play chess some day!!! You would have a better chance at winning that game, Grandma.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Play Chess!!!!!!! EW soundly denounces that game if I remember right. How would you know how to play the game
Wow, you are correct Bonnie! It seems EGW was pretty specific about the game of chess:
Such mental exercise as playing cards, chess, and checkers, excites and wearies the brain and hinders recovery: while light and pleasant physical labor will occupy the time, improve the circulation, relieve and restore the brain, and prove a decided benefit to the health. But take from the invalid all such employment, and he becomes restless, and, with a diseased imagination, views his case as much worse than it really is, which tends to imbecility. {PH145 49.2}
"I was shown that it is not essential to our salvation, nor for the glory of God, for us to keep the mind laboring, even upon religious themes, constantly and excessively. There are amusements which we cannot approve, because Heaven condemns them,--such as dancing, card-playing, chess, checkers, &c. These amusements open the door for great evil. Their tendencies are not beneficial, but their influence upon the mind is to excite and produce in some minds a passion for those plays which lead to gambling, and dissolute lives. All such plays should be condemned by Christians. Something should be substituted in the place of these amusements. Something can be invented, perfectly harmless. {RH, October 8, 1867 par. 29}
"I was shown that the position of Dr. Jackson in regard to amusements was wrong, and that his views of physical exercise were not all correct. The very amusements he recommends hinder the recovery of health in many cases, where one is helped by them. And physical labor for the sick, is to a great degree condemned by Dr. Jackson, which proves in many cases the greatest injury, while such mental exercise as playing at cards, chess, and checkers, excites and wearies the brain, and hinders recovery. Light and pleasant physical labor will occupy the time, improve the circulation, relieve and restore the brain, and prove a decided benefit to the health. But take from the invalid all such employment, and he becomes restless, and, with a diseased imagination, views his case as much worse than it really is, which tends to imbecility. {RH, October 8, 1867 par. 35}
Recreation is needful to those who are engaged in physical labor, and is still more essential for those whose labor is principally mental. It is not essential to our salvation, nor for the glory of God, to keep the mind laboring constantly and excessively, even upon religious themes. There are amusements, such as dancing, card-playing, chess, checkers, etc., which we cannot approve, because Heaven condemns them. These amusements open the door for great evil. They are not beneficial in their tendency, but have an exciting influence, producing in some minds a passion for those plays which lead to gambling and dissipation. All such plays should be condemned by Christians, and something perfectly harmless should be substituted in their place. {MYP 392.1}
I was shown that the position of Dr. E in regard to amusements was wrong, and that his views of physical exercise were not all correct. The amusements which he recommends hinder the recovery of health in many cases to one that is helped by them. He has to a great degree condemned physical labor for the sick, and his teaching in many cases has proved a great injury to them. Such mental exercise as playing cards, chess, and checkers excites and wearies the brain and hinders recovery, while light and pleasant physical labor will occupy the time, improve the circulation, relieve and restore the brain, and prove a decided benefit to the health. But take from the invalid all such employment, and he becomes restless, and, with a diseased imagination, views his case as much worse than it really is, which tends to imbecility. {1T 554.3}
It began in the Sanitarium before Dr. Kellogg came into the institution. Persons who came there to board and room brought in chess playing and many other amusements. This was not right, and the Lord rebuked the management. Our Sanitariums are not to cater to the perverted tastes of worldly people. The same evils have existed in the Sanitarium on the hillside. A few years ago the managers made it more of a hotel than an institution for healing the sick. In the rooms of the guests could be seen the wine bottles that they had brought with them. The boarders indulged appetite for many harmful things. God was not at all pleased with the course pursued by the management in allowing such indulgence; for His purpose in the establishment of the institution was not being carried out. He sent light in regard to it, and the result was that some in leading positions withdrew. They said, "If we refuse to serve meat, we cannot hold the patrons." But whether patronage increases or decreases, right principles must be upheld in the Lord's institutions. In all our work we are to show the advantage of a health reform diet. Between us and the world there is to be a distinct line of demarcation. {KC 143.5}
Passage after passage... The message is quite clear. She even goes so far as to say that "Heaven condemns" it.
Gailon, were you aware of the EGW position on chess when you played it as a child? How about when you tossed out the invitation for us to play chess some day? Do you believe it is a sinful game since she said so? Do you have a chess set in your home? I have one or two. My grandkids have lost a piece from one of them. Have you taught your grandkids to play yet?
In fact I was a chess champion... and quite proud of the title...and this at the very same time I had Congressman Philbin write a recommendation letter to the US Military Academy at West Point. Unfortunately, I failed my physical, (unacceptable eyesite at the time, without glasses) and ended my dream of a military career. My nickname was "general" and I lived and dreamed of leading armies in battle. Even was part of a team that would play out scenarios with Avalon Hill type game boards that would go on for weeks in "the Tower Room". My hero's were McArthur, Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley and host of others. My specialty was integrated large force engagement in a conventional setting (Army Corp, Army Group and theatre commands). When that dream went bust I left it behind, reluctantly at first, but then I met that terrific lady that would become my wife and never looked back.
I believe somewhere in storage I do still have my Chess Champion Set and Board (if my wife didn't dump it at some point.). I have not played since I have been married and have not taught either my children or grandchildren how to play.
Now, for the more important question, did I know Mrs White gave specific counsel on Chess at the time I was playing? Yes, I did. Did I ignore that counsel, yes I did!! Would she have approved of West point? EXTREMELY UNLIKELY as the Point is not tolerant of conscientious objectors. At the time, war and its death and destruction were lost in the glamour of shoulder bars and stars, battle ribbons and the need to out-think your opponent. I believe I was pretty good at strategic thinking and implementation in controlled settings. And I had nerves of steel that worked well for me in an ER for five years.
Years later those same talents would work well for me as we developed trial strategy and did case management. Mental agility while part of a trial team is critical as the case unfolds and each puts forth their direct, cross and then rebuttal witnesses. In summary, the advocates play the supreme game of "toying" with the jury in an effort to gain the upper hand or to handicap the opposition. There is a right way and a wrong way with each jury. The right way leads to the glory of winning and the almighty award or judgement (and a happy client), the wrong way
leads to the depression and nausea of defeat and an unhappy client.
Fortunately, my wife was quite helpful in getting me beyond those stages and settling into a "normal life" however that is best defined. The 'general" is long faded and the chess skills quite rusty, I am sure. Since then, I have come to believe unreservedly in the Spirit of Prophecy and the great messages and lifestyle that is gifted to the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Is that a sufficient answer for the dis-ingenuous inquisitions of GrandmaNettie?
Gailon Arthur Joy
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In fact I was a chess champion... and quite proud of the title...and this at the very same time I had Congressman Philbin write a recommendation letter to the US Military Academy at West Point. Unfortunately, I failed my physical, (unacceptable eyesite at the time, without glasses) and ended my dream of a military career. My nickname was "general" and I lived and dreamed of leading armies in battle. Even was part of a team that would play out scenarios with Avalon Hill type game boards that would go on for weeks in "the Tower Room". My hero's were McArthur, Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley and host of others. My specialty was integrated large force engagement in a conventional setting (Army Corp, Army Group and theatre commands). When that dream went bust I left it behind, reluctantly at first, but then I met that terrific lady that would become my wife and never looked back.
Daryl has undoubtedly approved this to be back on topic
Explains much ......... My nickname was "general" and I lived and dreamed of leading armies in battle. Even was part of a team that would play out scenarios with Avalon Hill type game boards that would go on for weeks in "the Tower Room". My hero's were McArthur, Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley and host of others.
I believe I was pretty good at strategic thinking and implementation in controlled settings. And I had nerves of steel that worked well for me in an ER for five years.
Who would have guessed. Your personal recommendation of Gailon is enlightening
Is that a sufficient answer for the dis-ingenuous inquisitions of GrandmaNettie?
Gailon Arthur Joy
Isn't the word inquisition a bit strong for asking questions of Gailon and Bob,or are we to conclude they cannot be askedf
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I seem to remember seeing a new and separate topic created for the discussion of chess, therefore, I hope to soon find the time to move these off topic posts there.
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Thank you Daryl.
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Thank you Daryl.
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Sorry, Just answering Questions...er, inquisitions!!!
GAJ
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If this is true - and I have absolutely no way of knowing whether it is or is not, except that I find Johann's information to be accurate - how despicable, so many years
after the event. Even if Linda had done what she was accused of doing, (and I have not seen any proof of that) surely a person should be permitted to get her life back on track.
I'm in 'catchup mode', but these kind of activities by those who would attempt to stop Linda at any cost, just appear more and more despicable. Do they not have 'a life' or are they so consumed by hatred that they will do whatever they possibly can to destroy Linda.
Have they not heard that Jesus is coming again soon, and they need to be about their Father's business, just as Linda is doing?
Smacks of demonic activity by those involved in trying to stop her, as far as I'm concerned.
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I received this report from Walla Walla:
"Johann,
"We watched Linda & Dan Mathews last evening on the local Blue Mountain Television Sharathon, both did excellent. Linda looked so nice, appreciated her comments very much. She is such a special person, good to see Linda involved."
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Wonderful news Johann. So pelased for Linda and her Ministry.