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So if Pickle and Joy don't know and the "real" lawyer's don't know the secret strategies Who Does? 

[Habanero]

Only the Shadow knows...

So if Pickle and Joy don't know and the "real" lawyer's don't know the secret strategies Who Does? 

[Bob Pickle]

Why all the speculation?

I wasn't speculating.

... neither of you have had this kind of experience in a Federal Court,

How do you know?

... and you don't know secret strategies that "real" lawyer's don't know about.

Well, if not even "real" lawyers know them, we must be all right.

I have never heard, seen or read where 3abn attorney's are going around telling how it will be, what will be allowed or not, and ranting that they are going to win.

They're not that stupid. Don't insult them like that. They've seen enough evidence that they know this case is hopeless if it is going to be decided on the basis of truth.

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Don't thank me as I do not do you any favors, nor do I defend your cause or support even an iota of it . . . My heart and my effort belong to the Creator of the Universe, the one and only true God who judges us all. My words are not for your benefit, your defense, your use or my glorification - but for the defense of my Savior.

Once again you walk around the room thumping your chest, banging a gong, bellowing as loud as you can in an effort to distract the "listening" public so thy can't see the truth.

There is no license provided to you . . . only that which you have manufactured in your own dreams. In your head, relevance may be a nebulous thing and open to your interpretation - but that would only be in your delusional perspective. The Court is going to focus narrowly on the Complaint and limited you to those things that you can sufficiently argue are within the original scope of the Complaint. You may think the Court is enamored of you and your pro se position - but the judge and the Court aren't going to buy your snake oil and aren't going to be entertained by your pro se approach. You may have a little paralegal training under you belt, but that is akin to a low single A pitcher going up against Alex Rodriguez.

Here you are wrong again . . . you want the issue to be "failure to produce" when in actuality you are going to be left holding an empty bag because Rule 26 is going to be your undoing. If you cold reign in your out of control partner you might be able to get a little glimmer of acknowledgment from the courts . . . but as it stands, the court is going to see the harassment, the effort to expand the case, the unreasonable demands and is going to shut you down like a bankrupt business . . . oops.

You love to banner wave, chest thump . . . but we all know what "goeth before a fall' . . . In the past you have been able to intimidate, threaten, cajole, manipulate, and subject to false accusations and hyperbole - but not this time. You actually have to stand in front of the Court and meet the letter of the law . . . and wanting you will be.

We'll deal with your abuse of Rule 34 next.

No need as the Court, more than likely, will require you to stick to the context of the Complaint. Again, you think you can manipulate the court and falsely assume you can operate outside the laws of the land the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Time to follow the letter of law Mr. Pickle.

Well, anyman, why doesn't 3ABN/Danny amend their complaint if they want to narrow discovery?

Thank-you Anyman for that clarification. Have you read the allegations? I'd say they have given us pretty broad scope and relevancy is almost anything. In fact, I would challenge you to give me an example of production that is not relevant to the claim. You can get a preview of the arguments that are dead ahead. PACER in advance...nothing too terribly secretive about it!!!

So, ANYMAN, me thinks the problem is FAILURE to Produce, not relevancy. But, I'd love to give you a shot at it!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy

Such negative vibes!!! ANYMAN, your bitterness shows through as actually patent hatred. I feel so sorry for you. I have never met a man with such bitternes that had any real connection to a "creator", in whatever form. But, I understand your frustration as 3ABN does not have good track record in litigation.

Any fool who has read the breadth of allegations made by the Plaintiff's understand the breadth of discovery these allegations encompass. IF ONE DOES NOT WANT TO BARE ONES SOLE TO THE WORLD ONE SHOULD STAY OUT OF THE COURTS!!!.

In the interim, can I suggest counselling for your mood problem? Life is just not that horrifying. Litigation is an adversarial game, but does not have to HOSTILE. 

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Gailon Arthur Joy]

Go ahead, base your case on that presumption. When 3ABN streams a 1000++++ people all testifying to the fact that the message and mission of 3ABN changed their lives, led them to the foot of the cross and a life of salvation, in front of the jury . . . are you going to be surprised when members of the jury fall at the foot of the Savior broken and seeking His hand in faith? The jury will weep and wonder how you could be so naive as to believe that you could take up the mantle against the Savior and believe you would win.

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Better expand that witness list. At this point their witness list does not include a single saved sole!!! In fact it is less than twenty people. COMPARED TO NEARLY ONE HUNDRED FOR OUR SIDE...must be they were not PLANNING to go to trial.
I am really beginning to question if you really have a clue?

Gailon Arthur Joy

[Jodi]

Thank you, Mr. Joy, for keeping such a "common sense" approach to this entire situation and keeping the rest of us that are truly interested in the truth, informed in all matters.  It must be difficult at times, to stay focused with all the "Drama Queens" trying to distract.  Keep up the good work and my prayer is for the Holy Spirit to continue to guide you and strengthen you as this comes to a conclusion. 

Jodi

[Ozzie]

Yes. I've heard about the basket ball courts/gym on 3abn property. Keep it up, but that won't get you into the Kingdom either.

Oh I wish I could contain the laughing . . . "Old man" . . . ROFL . . . Anger, oh dear Ozzie that is precious . . .  The 5 - 6 days at the gym finding ways to learn to  exercise keep me rather fit and healthy, as the Lord directed. Sorry, there is not anger, only the sense of duty to the Lord of the Universe, the One and Only True God of Creation.

Does the GREEN pen come from that of an auditor or other financial officer of 3abn, or is it only coincidence?

Spelling test . . . how do you spell, diversion . . . D I V E R S I O N . . . diversion . . .

How about if you focus on the content of the thread? Offer some substantive content to the thread in terms of the points being made. I don't see you addressing anything at all that is contained in my post, in Mr. Pickle's post, or any post in this thread . . . merely a comment meant to try and tie me to some profession in an extended effort to try and connect me to some identity . . . give it up . . . this is a discussion and not a puzzle for you to figure out.

Calm down old man! Calm down. You know that anger just isn't good for your blood pressure. You need to take more care of yourself than that.

Maybe, some Koolaide might help?

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[Ozzie]

Go ahead, base your case on that presumption. When 3ABN streams a 1000++++ people all testifying to the fact that the message and mission of 3ABN changed their lives, led them to the foot of the cross and a life of salvation, in front of the jury . . . are you going to be surprised when members of the jury fall at the foot of the Savior broken and seeking His hand in faith? The jury will weep and wonder how you could be so naive as to believe that you could take up the mantle against the Savior and believe you would win.

Anyman, what relevance do 3ABN fans and their fervor for the religious feelings they get have to this court case? Do you actually believe that the court would allow 3ABN to parade thousands of viewers through and take their testimony regarding the religious feeling that they get from watching 3ABN? LOL!!!! The melodrama of your prediction might carry the day with you, but it is has no relevance to legal realities.

Delusions of grandeur, for sure!

[sonshineonme]

Go ahead, base your case on that presumption. When 3ABN streams a 1000++++ people all testifying to the fact that the message and mission of 3ABN changed their lives, led them to the foot of the cross and a life of salvation, in front of the jury . . . are you going to be surprised when members of the jury fall at the foot of the Savior broken and seeking His hand in faith? The jury will weep and wonder how you could be so naive as to believe that you could take up the mantle against the Savior and believe you would win.

You know, it occurs to me that if you really cared about these 1000 souls that have been drawn to Jesus, you might encourage those "leaders" of yours to make some realistic thoughtful, rapid and unselfish choices regarding the longevity of 3abn and consider the souls that would be gained in the future for the Lord, because at this rate, there will have to be other ministries doing the the job that 3abn could have done, if.....

So, put your ministry where your mouth is, and do something that matters and will make a difference in saving 3abn while you can. You are wasting your time here doing this dance.

[Daryl Fawcett]

ADMIN HAT ON!!!

We are receiving reports regarding disrespectful posts, however, this is being done by more than one person, and you know who you are, therefore, everybody please be more respectful in your posts.

ADMIN HAT OFF!!!

[Daryl Fawcett]

By the way, sonshineonme, I wasn't referring to your post.

[Sam]

Go ahead, base your case on that presumption. When 3ABN streams a 1000++++ people all testifying to the fact that the message and mission of 3ABN changed their lives, led them to the foot of the cross and a life of salvation, in front of the jury . . . are you going to be surprised when members of the jury fall at the foot of the Savior broken and seeking His hand in faith? The jury will weep and wonder how you could be so naive as to believe that you could take up the mantle against the Savior and believe you would win.

You know, it occurs to me that if you really cared about these 1000 souls that have been drawn to Jesus, you might encourage those "leaders" of yours to make some realistic thoughtful, rapid and unselfish choices regarding the longevity of 3abn and consider the souls that would be gained in the future for the Lord, because at this rate, there will have to be other ministries doing the the job that 3abn could have done, if.....

So, put your ministry where your mouth is, and do something that matters and will make a difference in saving 3abn while you can. You are wasting your time here doing this dance.

Where in the world did you get such an idea? You obviously haven't been there so must have gotten this faulty info second or third hand.

 I said before I was able to attend the TC/campmeeting and there were record crowds. They give tours of the facilities and they are unbelievable. There is now a new kids time set which is already operational!  The sound center recording studio has branched out to be able to offer soundtracks to the public.  New programs are in the works!  The ladies that take orders and answer questions at the call center say the phones are busy constantly.  The thursday night lives are more popular than ever. I know, I called there with a question one thursday night and was on hold for 18 minutes!

Next time you take one of your walks, contemplate the truth of this matter instead of how you want it to be.

[Habanero]

Auchwitz has larger and more spectacular tours than any tour 3ABN will ever concoct.

One Nazi rally drew bigger crowds than twenty years worth of 3ABN TC/Campmeetings.

The subsidiaries of Sony, Warner, and Death Row Records have sold more sound tracks in a day than 3ABN Sound Center will sell in a decade.

Record crowds, calls, sales, and hold times are no measure of right or good.

Remember what the members of Heaven's Gate, People's Temple, Colonia Dignidad, the Branch Davidians, the Mujahideen, and innumerable other cults and extremists have said when confronted? Sound familiar? It should. You are doing a great job of making 3ABN sound like just another of those cults. You sound just like them and thats sad and alarming.

Contemplate the truth of this matter, Sam. What would you have been in Germany, Chile, Waco, and many other places?

Where in the world did you get such an idea? You obviously haven't been there so must have gotten this faulty info second or third hand.

 I said before I was able to attend the TC/campmeeting and there were record crowds. They give tours of the facilities and they are unbelievable. There is now a new kids time set which is already operational!  The sound center recording studio has branched out to be able to offer soundtracks to the public.  New programs are in the works!  The ladies that take orders and answer questions at the call center say the phones are busy constantly.  The thursday night lives are more popular than ever. I know, I called there with a question one thursday night and was on hold for 18 minutes!

Next time you take one of your walks, contemplate the truth of this matter instead of how you want it to be.

[Bob Pickle]

Junebug,

Habanero made a valid point. When people justify Danny Shelton's aberrations by playing a numbers game, if one plays that same game with unquestionably inappropriate entities, those entities win the numbers game.

In other words, the numbers game is not a valid argument, and never has been.

[GrandmaNettie]

Junebug,

Habanero made a valid point. When people justify Danny Shelton's aberrations by playing a numbers game, if one plays that same game with unquestionably inappropriate entities, those entities win the numbers game.

In other words, the numbers game is not a valid argument, and never has been.

Bob, I agree with the philosophical point that Habanero was making as well as your summation that I have bolded.  However, are you both certain that the point of Sam's post was to "justify Danny Shelton's aberrations by playing a numbers game"?  Plus, have you adequately established that Danny Shelton does, indeed, have aberrations since you didn't refer to them as "alleged".  I do know that you have mentioned the huge amount of documentation that you have, but are you certain it is all flawlessly factual, enough so to claim aberrations as you have?